Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

[wolfeskins]

i voted tayler as being the bigger problem. lavar is just venting some frustration because of his rehab not going the way it should. his 6.5 mill. dispute is being handled by the nflpa and is not talked about very much by lavar. ( lavar should have read through the contract, basically his own fault. )
taylor on the other hand needs to grow up. he played musical agents then signed a contract. he was busted for driving drunk, yea i know, he was cleared of charges but i think he prolly was a bit tipsy and should not have been driving. he allegedly spit on a player. he's not at work-outs, thats not a good decision. he wants to renegotiate his contract after only one season.

ultimately though , i love both players. i just wish they could both do a better job at being more responsible and not blaming the skins for their own mistakes. just shut up and play football.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Safety is one of the lowest paid positions in the league. However, we can't forget he was the 5th overall pick. That's a high pick and demands money. Especially shocked we signed him for so low considering it was after Winslow got his massive deal, was it not?

Well rookie salaries take two things into account. One is position, and one is draft position. Both are equally important. And you are right, safety is one of the lowest paid positions. But that's exactly why no team would give a safety at #5 anything close to what a tight end at #6 commands. Agreed, for a top 5 pick his contract seems a little low. But what has he done to deserve more? I don't doubt that after this year, a year in which i expect him to be a pro bowler, he will have earned a higher salary. But what has he done so far? In my opinion he just hasn't made the case yet.

And I'm pretty sure Winslow signed after Taylor's deal was done. Didn't the Browns have a fairly tough time signing him, in part because he has the Postons? I seem to remember Winslow's negotiations dragging on longer than Taylors, but I could be wrong.

Incidentally, in case anyone was interested, the best info I could find on Ed Reed's Contract was that he got a $3.625 million signing bonus in 2002 plus $275,000 in salary. 2003 he got $443,750. And this year he scheduled to make less than $600,000. He is in his final year of his rookie contract, and even after becoming Defensive MVP, he still hasn't demanded a new contract and he's never held out from all the information I was able to find.

Now, Reed was drafted #24 in the 2002 draft, so certainly his contract should be less than Taylor's (inflation and higher draft position), but if ever there was a safety that could have legitimately demanded more $ than between $300k and $600k per year, it is Ed Reed. Again, I like Taylor, but I think we're being a little too easy on a kid who clearly has one heck of an attitude problem.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

He can cover, he can intercept, he can run it back, he can blitz. Sean Taylor, especially in the hands of Greg Williams, could be one of the most devastating players in the league simply because he's so versatile.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Arrington.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Incidentally, in case anyone was interested, the best info I could find on Ed Reed's Contract was that he got a $3.625 million signing bonus in 2002 plus $275,000 in salary. 2003 he got $443,750. And this year he scheduled to make less than $600,000. He is in his final year of his rookie contract, and even after becoming Defensive MVP, he still hasn't demanded a new contract and he's never held out from all the information I was able to find.

The biggest comparison you can make in the contracts is the term... thats where Taylor got screwed, not in the per yr numbers. Whats the avg. carreer span for a safety in this league? It cant be more than 8 9 yrs, and he's tied up in a low money contract for seven years. His agent should have told him not to take such a long rookie deal, but he didn't and now he's fired. Now, Taylor fired his agent, but still feels cheated out of the career and lifestyle he's been working toward his whole life. It kinda taints the dream a little bit and without his dumbass agent around, he's going to take it out one someone else. That being the team. I dont agree with it because Im a fan of the team, but if I were a player, I might be a little weary of the Redskins FO myself.

[EternalEnigma21]

Oh, and the guy who said Taylor didnt accomplish anything, he was an alternate to the pro-bowl as a rookie, and had better stats than Roy Williams across the board, who made the pro bowl. I'd say thats an accomplishment enough to make a statement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Arrington.

I'm with you there too

[monk81]

Is it a coincidence but both our problem children are from the University of Miami......
hmmmmmmmprrh.............. Skins 'N Canes...... you got some 'splaining to do..........

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by monk81

Is it a coincidence but both our problem children are from the University of Miami......
hmmmmmmmprrh.............. Skins 'N Canes...... you got some 'splaining to do..........

Arrington went to Penn State.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Arrington went to Penn State.

Your right, sorry my bad I was thinking of Portis........who seems to be a problem child in the making........ and sincere apologies to Skin's "n canes fan too........

mea culpa mea culpa....................

[SkinsRock]

To me Portis seems more like a clown, trying to be funny and entertaining all the time....as opposed to a "problem"...

[monk81]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

To me Portis seems more like a clown, trying to be funny and entertaining all the time....as opposed to a "problem"...

Yep, he's kind of a clown, but don't forget he started to whine about the play calling and other teams figuring out our plays.......he should've discussed it with the coaches in the locker room instead of sharing it with the media..........

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by monk81

Yep, he's kind of a clown, but don't forget he started to whine about the play calling and other teams figuring out our plays.......he should've discussed it with the coaches in the locker room instead of sharing it with the media..........

I'm beginning to think that's how all top athletes are starting to get...not just Portis...because they know it will get them attention. I think it is a lack of respect for their team and is disgusting.
That said, I still love my Redskins and alway will, "in good times and bad"....

[monk81]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

That said, I still love my Redskins and alway will, "in good times and bad"....

Me too SkinsRock, me too............