Hey Gibbs, You Need a New Playbook

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think anybody is denying that the playcalling could be better. I have never said the playcalling is not part of the problem.

But it just seems like too much blame is going to the playcalling and not enough blame to the execution.

By the way, just to be clear I'm talking about today, I'm analyzing today's game, not the entire season. At other times the coaching might get more blame, and at others it's more on the players. Today I thought it was pretty even.

I think we're splitting hairs now. I think our positions aren't that far apart. They are different, but not by much.

LadyT · 11-21-2004, 11:04 PM

Your previous post on Gibbs said it all. I couldn't have expressed it better myself.

There's something very, very wrong with the offense and the playcalling and that must rest squarely on Gibbs' shoulders.

You say that you think he'll get it straightened out. I wish I had that kind of confidence, but I'm willing to let this season go by and hope for the best next year.

I think I'd feel a little more optimistic if I saw any change in Gibbs' approach, but so far I haven't. He's got a QB in Ramsey with a strong arm, but this was the most conservative and rotten playcalling I've ever seen.

If I see one more screen to the sidelines I will literally throw up. It was unreal how many times Gibbs called that same play . . .

I agree totally with your assessment of Gibbs right now. He's a great guy a brillilant thinker and was a great coach. But, he's not a god and he has made some terrible decisions this season, both in personnel and in his offensive game plans and playcalling. Let's see if his much-touted ability to adjust is still there. So far, I have seen no evidence of it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:06 PM

Gibbs system can work. But, lately it hasn't seemed like a Gibbs-run system. His system was a mix of dink and dunk passes, a good running game, AND some deep passes (from his days in SD).

I've seen two of those three components. I'm just waiting to see our offense begin to pose a credible deep threat.

MTK · 11-21-2004, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I think we're splitting hairs now. I think our positions aren't that far apart. They are different, but not by much.

I agree, we probably are splitting hairs at this point. But calling out Gibbs seems to be the more popular argument right now. I don't see a thread right now named the 'executions sucks', all I see is 'Gibbs needs a new playbook', and 'downfield Gibbs'?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 11:11 PM

Gibbs has gotten in trouble for keeping Brunell in. Whereas a lot of people stuck by Brunell until the last moment, I think we all agree that Gibbs made a mistake in keeping Brunell in as long as he did.

Also, Gibbs does deserve a lot of flak. As I said earlier, if we were 7-3 does anyone honestly believe that Gibbs wouldn't be getting a disproportionate amount of the credit? He's getting a disproportionate amount of the criticism right now, but he almost deserves it considering we're 3-7.

Finally, doesn't Gibbs deserve some of the blame for the players' mistakes? He's the coach; it's his job to ensure that the right people are playing and playing well. It's not all on him if a player screws up, but as the head coach he deserves some of the blame. Doesn't he?

skinsfan0201 · 11-22-2004, 12:08 AM

that one person over the course of one season can not right the ship. Patience is a virtue, we all know that this season is a rebuilding year at heart especially since we once again were throwing out the old system and importing in once again another new system. PLEASE PLEASE don't try to frustrate a subject that doesn't need any extra frustration. Also realize that our team (though I realize others as well) have been desimated with injuries. Don't coaches still get time to figure out anything anymore especially since we know that this is the first competent coaching staff in 12 years. It is sad to think that after the effort (although much of it in a losing fashion unfortunately) and camradie generated on this team could go to waste because we don't put any stock in the group of people that are the most knowledgable in their field.

I was wrong before to question Gibbs decision (on choosing to play Brunell) and I would just like to say that a positive and not negative attitude enables people to achieve their ultimate goals in life, not negativity which in turn breeds more negativity and brings about failure.

Those that choose to endorse this sort of negativity are not helping the team that we all choose to CELEBRATE!!!!! So I would like to offer a sense of constructive and purposeful critism on the contrary to these negative attacks on those chosen to lead the team that we all support.

H-A-I-L T-O T-H-E R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S ! H-A-I-L V-I-C-T-O-R-Y !!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 12:12 AM

Let's just stop discussing the team if we can't have honest and respectful disagreements. Or maybe we could just get the Iraqi Information Minister to come over and give us a pep talk....

There is nothing wrong with this team. This team will chase the infidel Steelers out of their homes and burn the pits of their stomachs in a blaze. We are not 3-7, that is a lie perpetrated by the evil, infidels. Those game tapes were fabrications, the Glorious Redskins triumphed over the Philadelphia Eagles 999-0. Do not believe the lies of the infidels!

That Guy · 11-22-2004, 03:05 AM

matty, in the other post i said we should run more because
A) brunell couldn't even hit the 4 yard passes, and
B) portis was consistantly going 5+ yards (4.8ypc) on one of the NFL's worst run defenses (the tigers have decent pass D compared to brunell's talents...)

philly obviously killed our run early, but i didn't see much of the zone blocking that had been working well... i saw gut runs straight into iggles...

this game ramsey was hitting nearly everything (lots of drops though

), but i can't honestly believe he was immediately throwing checkdowns, he was told to throw that crap over and over and over... )

I think our problems (in order) are playcalling, penalties, and referees... ramsey used shotgun formations at tulane, he used them last year, and he's done well with them... i was encouraged today because he was releasing quickly, wasn't staring down his targets as much, and was hitting his throws... I only saw one bad throw (into double/triple coverage in the end zone, which mccants almost came up with anyways)... I said in another thread, maybe an OC more current with the game, at least as a consultant... maybe trying shotgun again (gibbs has looked into it, when asked he said that there are X teams (3??) that don't use shotgun right now, meaning there's been some consideration), and maybe doing half field reads like they do for plummer... (maybe zone throws like spurrier used, heh)...

celts32 · 11-22-2004, 01:23 PM

Execution is a much bigger problem right now then play calling. You can't sustain drives when you have a false start, holding and dropped passes on every drive. That possesion where they had 1st and goal from the 10 and started moving backwards says everything about the way these players have executed this year. And i don't agree that they got spanked as Ramseyfan put it. They had every opportunity to win that game into the 4th quarter. The Eagles added late scores after the outcome was decided that made the game look more lopsided than it really was. I wish they would throw deep more than they are, but I refuse to let these players off the hook for not even being able to line up and not move for fu*ks sake!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 02:40 PM

If 28-6 isn't a spanking remind me not to be around when we do get spanked.

CrazyCanuck · 11-23-2004, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, on the other hand this dink and dunk offense had us in the game for a good part of it, if it wasn't for some horrible penalties in the redzone, 12 penalties and a lot of dropped passes, who knows, maybe we pull it out.

A lack of execution on the players' part is just as much to blame right now in my opinion.

I would add a third option to the poll, the execution AND the playcalling both need to improve.

Well said and I agree. Put me down for option 3 as well.

celts32 · 11-23-2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

If 28-6 isn't a spanking remind me not to be around when we do get spanked.

Your just looking at the final score. A spanking is a game that you are out of from start to finish. They had chances to win. They were at the 10 yard line down one score in the 4th quarter. I just don't think they were spanked.

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11-21-2004, 11:04 PM	#47
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Ramsefan . . . Your previous post on Gibbs said it all. I couldn't have expressed it better myself. There's something very, very wrong with the offense and the playcalling and that must rest squarely on Gibbs' shoulders. You say that you think he'll get it straightened out. I wish I had that kind of confidence, but I'm willing to let this season go by and hope for the best next year. I think I'd feel a little more optimistic if I saw any change in Gibbs' approach, but so far I haven't. He's got a QB in Ramsey with a strong arm, but this was the most conservative and rotten playcalling I've ever seen. If I see one more screen to the sidelines I will literally throw up. It was unreal how many times Gibbs called that same play . . . I agree totally with your assessment of Gibbs right now. He's a great guy a brillilant thinker and was a great coach. But, he's not a god and he has made some terrible decisions this season, both in personnel and in his offensive game plans and playcalling. Let's see if his much-touted ability to adjust is still there. So far, I have seen no evidence of it.

11-21-2004, 11:11 PM	#50
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Gibbs has gotten in trouble for keeping Brunell in. Whereas a lot of people stuck by Brunell until the last moment, I think we all agree that Gibbs made a mistake in keeping Brunell in as long as he did. Also, Gibbs does deserve a lot of flak. As I said earlier, if we were 7-3 does anyone honestly believe that Gibbs wouldn't be getting a disproportionate amount of the credit? He's getting a disproportionate amount of the criticism right now, but he almost deserves it considering we're 3-7. Finally, doesn't Gibbs deserve some of the blame for the players' mistakes? He's the coach; it's his job to ensure that the right people are playing and playing well. It's not all on him if a player screws up, but as the head coach he deserves some of the blame. Doesn't he? Last edited by Sheriff Gonna Getcha; 11-21-2004 at 11:17 PM.

11-22-2004, 12:08 AM	#51
skinsfan0201 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Falls Church, VA Age: 45 Posts: 234	I think that you are over anxious and should realize that one person over the course of one season can not right the ship. Patience is a virtue, we all know that this season is a rebuilding year at heart especially since we once again were throwing out the old system and importing in once again another new system. PLEASE PLEASE don't try to frustrate a subject that doesn't need any extra frustration. Also realize that our team (though I realize others as well) have been desimated with injuries. Don't coaches still get time to figure out anything anymore especially since we know that this is the first competent coaching staff in 12 years. It is sad to think that after the effort (although much of it in a losing fashion unfortunately) and camradie generated on this team could go to waste because we don't put any stock in the group of people that are the most knowledgable in their field. I was wrong before to question Gibbs decision (on choosing to play Brunell) and I would just like to say that a positive and not negative attitude enables people to achieve their ultimate goals in life, not negativity which in turn breeds more negativity and brings about failure. Those that choose to endorse this sort of negativity are not helping the team that we all choose to CELEBRATE!!!!! So I would like to offer a sense of constructive and purposeful critism on the contrary to these negative attacks on those chosen to lead the team that we all support. H-A-I-L T-O T-H-E R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S ! H-A-I-L V-I-C-T-O-R-Y !!!!

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11-21-2004, 11:06 PM	#48
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Gibbs system can work. But, lately it hasn't seemed like a Gibbs-run system. His system was a mix of dink and dunk passes, a good running game, AND some deep passes (from his days in SD). I've seen two of those three components. I'm just waiting to see our offense begin to pose a credible deep threat.

11-22-2004, 12:12 AM	#52
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Let's just stop discussing the team if we can't have honest and respectful disagreements. Or maybe we could just get the Iraqi Information Minister to come over and give us a pep talk.... There is nothing wrong with this team. This team will chase the infidel Steelers out of their homes and burn the pits of their stomachs in a blaze. We are not 3-7, that is a lie perpetrated by the evil, infidels. Those game tapes were fabrications, the Glorious Redskins triumphed over the Philadelphia Eagles 999-0. Do not believe the lies of the infidels!

11-22-2004, 03:05 AM	#53
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	matty, in the other post i said we should run more because A) brunell couldn't even hit the 4 yard passes, and B) portis was consistantly going 5+ yards (4.8ypc) on one of the NFL's worst run defenses (the tigers have decent pass D compared to brunell's talents...) philly obviously killed our run early, but i didn't see much of the zone blocking that had been working well... i saw gut runs straight into iggles... this game ramsey was hitting nearly everything (lots of drops though ), but i can't honestly believe he was immediately throwing checkdowns, he was told to throw that crap over and over and over... ) I think our problems (in order) are playcalling, penalties, and referees... ramsey used shotgun formations at tulane, he used them last year, and he's done well with them... i was encouraged today because he was releasing quickly, wasn't staring down his targets as much, and was hitting his throws... I only saw one bad throw (into double/triple coverage in the end zone, which mccants almost came up with anyways)... I said in another thread, maybe an OC more current with the game, at least as a consultant... maybe trying shotgun again (gibbs has looked into it, when asked he said that there are X teams (3??) that don't use shotgun right now, meaning there's been some consideration), and maybe doing half field reads like they do for plummer... (maybe zone throws like spurrier used, heh)...

11-22-2004, 01:23 PM	#54
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Execution is a much bigger problem right now then play calling. You can't sustain drives when you have a false start, holding and dropped passes on every drive. That possesion where they had 1st and goal from the 10 and started moving backwards says everything about the way these players have executed this year. And i don't agree that they got spanked as Ramseyfan put it. They had every opportunity to win that game into the 4th quarter. The Eagles added late scores after the outcome was decided that made the game look more lopsided than it really was. I wish they would throw deep more than they are, but I refuse to let these players off the hook for not even being able to line up and not move for fu*ks sake!

11-22-2004, 02:40 PM	#55
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	If 28-6 isn't a spanking remind me not to be around when we do get spanked.

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