Zorn On The Hot Seat

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Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Why is it not CERRATO on the hot seat??? He's the GM/Pres/WTF-ever who hired Zorn, plus about a million other bad decisions. Impeach Cerrato first, it makes more sense to do that mid-season than firing the coach! Then a new, hopefully competent GM can get a feel for the team and be ready to make off-season decisions, including the fate of ZZZZZorn. Am I wrong here?

Vinny is Danny's enabler. He's not going anywhere.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We're 2 games in and we're 1-1, I think people need to calm the F down with the hotseat BS.

Good perspective right here from Mike Wise on Jim Zorn's job status moving forward:

washingtonpost.com

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We're 2 games in and we're 1-1, I think people need to calm the F down with the hotseat BS.

People are already lining up coaching candidates who are coming to DC next year.

For some reason everyone seems to be fine with that.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Why is it not CERRATO on the hot seat??? He's the GM/Pres/WTF-ever who hired Zorn, plus about a million other bad decisions. Impeach Cerrato first, it makes more sense to do that mid-season than firing the coach! Then a new, hopefully competent GM can get a feel for the team and be ready to make off-season decisions, including the fate of ZZZZZorn. Am I wrong here?

What do we base Cerrato's body of work on? The Gibbs 2 years, not a fair evaluation as Gibbs held final say-so on everything and Snyderatto gave Gibbs whatever he asked for. So we really only have last year and this year to work from where Cerrato has full responsibility for personnel.

-FA signing of Dock at a reasonable number.
- keeping coaching staff mostly intact to support a 1st year coach who has never been even a coordinator at the NFL level.
- Horton
- Haynesworth, don't want to jinx him, but so far so good.
- Kelly, looks like he'll be solid.
- Patience in the 2009 draft and winding up with Orakpo
- Thomas, Rinehart, Tyron, jury's out but they're all still on the roster so they can't be total busts.
- Kevin Barnes, solid pick
- Hunter Smith
- Jarmon appears to have been a good choice in the supplemental draft, a lower pick would've been better than a 3rd, OK that's a slight negative.
- Will Montgomery, should be a solid backup
- Re-signing D. Hall, jury's out on that one but had he gotten away it would've been "Cerrato's an idiot for letting D. Hall walk"

So what are the "million bad decisions"?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good perspective right here from Mike Wise on Jim Zorn's job status moving forward:

washingtonpost.com

Good point right here:

Let's be clear: Unless the wheels fall off, Zorn deserves this year to make it work for a variety of reasons. Beyond a fair shot, exactly what does the franchise do in the middle of the season? If Zorn is given his walking papers, you don't merely lose your head coach; you effectively lose your offensive coordinator and your quarterbacks coach, irrespective of how troubling the play-calling has been.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Good point right here:

Let's be clear: Unless the wheels fall off, Zorn deserves this year to make it work for a variety of reasons. Beyond a fair shot, exactly what does the franchise do in the middle of the season? If Zorn is given his walking papers, you don't merely lose your head coach; you effectively lose your offensive coordinator and your quarterbacks coach, irrespective of how troubling the play-calling has been.

Yeah, that stood out to me as well. Even if the next month proves to us that Zorn isn't the guy, firing him in mid-season will only make us worse in the short term. IMO, unless he totally loses the locker room and is pacing for a 4 win debacle type of season, he'll get through all of 2009.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

People are already lining up coaching candidates who are coming to DC next year.

For some reason everyone seems to be fine with that.

Not everyone Tee. The loudest, or in this case, the ones who write the most, are the most heard. To answer what the thread asks, I think what you should expect is for a coach to come in and implement a system that will benefit the team towards being successful. I think the coach should be given the time to put such a system in place, obtain players he wants, and allow it enough time to see if the team can comprehend and flourish in it. I think to hire an inexperienced HC to do such a thing without a reasonable amount of time to do it is unreasonable and foolish.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Not everyone Tee. The loudest, or in this case, the ones who write the most, are the most heard.

Well I know it is not contested when people talk about who should be the head coach next year.

That's why the thread was created because no one is asking why Zorn has such a short leash being a first time head coach.


That's also something that has irritated me as of late because I'd hate to think our front office has the same sentiment/expectations as our fans. This year and last would be fruitless if Zorn was just a two year filler coach while we waited for the availability of the big name coaches for the big splash in 2010. Needless to say that is gross mishandling of management and personnel by the front office if that is the case.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Well I know it is not contested when people talk about who should be the head coach next year.

That's why the thread was created because no one is asking why Zorn has such a short leash being a first time head coach.


That's also something that has irritated me as of late because I'd hate to think our front office has the same sentiment/expectations as our fans. This year and last would be fruitless if Zorn was just a two year filler coach while we waited for the availability of the big name coaches for the big splash in 2010. Needless to say that is gross mishandling of management and personnel by the front office if that is the case.

Well I think I have stated that we need to show patience and I think Zorn has us on the right track. I agree 100% with what you're saying about Zorn and the FO if that turns out to be the case.

[GoSkins!]

We all heard the comments that Sonny made to Zorn about calling a time-out if you call for the RB to pass for him in the red-zone on 3rd down. I wonder what Zorn would have done as a QB in the same situation? Any thoughts?

Just wondering how much ego Zorn has and if he ever turns things around on himself. That can get you in trouble in a hurry, and he seems to be in trouble.... in a hurry.

Also, Why doesn't Danny take the easier road and tell Zorn that if the offense doesn't start scoring, we are going to have to bring in a more experience OC to help him. It isn't like you can't fire the OC and not the HC. Friendship or not, it has to be an option.
Zorn may be doing a lot better right now if he had a more experienced offensive coordinator to help him while he adjusts from QB coach to head coach.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, that stood out to me as well. Even if the next month proves to us that Zorn isn't the guy, firing him in mid-season will only make us worse in the short term. IMO, unless he totally loses the locker room and is pacing for a 4 win debacle type of season, he'll get through all of 2009.

That would work out about the same way it did for the Wizards when they fired Eddie Jordan after eleven games. If Zorn is fired now, this season is history.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

That would work out about the same way it did for the Wizards when they fired Eddie Jordan after eleven games. If Zorn is fired now, this season is history.

I still dont understand that move with Eddie. We were horrible before he came. But anwyays back to talking Skins. Zorn is not going to get fired this season.

[Longtimefan]

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I pray that the fans had nothing to do with the Fassel decision or any other one. Fans are idiots. I hope that their voice is not taken into account.

The fact is, Zorn is not really on the hot seat until Danny issues the dreaded "statement of confidence." Such statements ironically legitimize criticism. If the owner is not concerned about a coach, then then the owner says nothing, which so far has been the case.

You say you pray the fans had nothing to do with the Fassel decision, well obviously you weren't paying a great deal of attention to the selection process. Just about everyone on this board can/will concur in the fact that had it not been for people like those represented here as well as the many radio talk shows and numerous other outlets that voiced their dissaproval of Jim Fassel, in all likelehood he would have been the next HC here after Gibbs decided to step down.

To suggest fans are idiots.....well I'm a fan, have been a fan for a long, long time just like most of our fellow members here and we don't want to put ourselves in the category of idiots. We're trying to get beyond the Robert Henson philosophy.

[SmootSmack]

Fans are not stupid, but they act pretty irrationally a good portion of the time. But that's fine, that's what fans do. The danger is when ownership does that. But anyway, we don't have Fassel in large part due to he and Vinny simply not being able to work together more than anything else. The fans' protest of the hiring has been way overblown.

[Lotus]

[quote=Longtimefan;594951]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You say you pray the fans had nothing to do with the Fassel decision, well obviously you weren't paying a great deal of attention to the selection process. Just about everyone on this board can/will concur in the fact that had it not been for people like those represented here as well as the many radio talk shows and numerous other outlets that voiced their dissaproval of Jim Fassel, in all likelehood he would have been the next HC here after Gibbs decided to step down.

To suggest fans are idiots.....well I'm a fan, have been a fan for a long, long time just like most of our fellow members here and we don't want to put ourselves in the category of idiots. We're trying to get beyond the Robert Henson philosophy.

I don't think that is true. Some people say that, others don't. I was paying attention and that is not the way that I saw it.

So, since you made the claim, provide the evidence: what is your evidence that the Fassel (non)hire came because of fan voices? Please present some convincing evidence, not innuendo.