Defense = Disappointment

[Ruhskins]

I think the defense is a disappointment because they are supposed to be the stronger part of our team and that didn't show.

The DBs played terrible, since they couldn't cover wideouts who had no more than 1-year of experienced.

Landry seemed to be more concerned with hitting Brandon Jacob as payback for last year (leading to the personal foul) than actually playing the game.

Our line didn't generate enough rush to affect the passing game.

The offense had its issues too (but what a freaking concept, I'll talk about that in the thread for that topic!) but it is hard to overlook these deficiencies in the defense. Once again, let's stop pin the fault of a bad game on a single unit or player. Just as it takes a team to win, you also lose as a team.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

[53Fan]

Some of the defense played well most of the time. Some of the defense played well very little of the time. You can't win like that.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

So who gave up the most points? The offense or the defense? Who scored the most points? Offense or defense?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

If England won the battle for independence then we'd all be speaking with British accents.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

If England won the battle for independence then we'd all be speaking with British accents.

'ello mate!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

'ello mate!

What part of England is that accent from? Sydney or Melbourne? LOL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

So your argument is, "the defense sucks, but we should overcome them every time"?

Or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Well, if all we did on offense is run Portis three times and punt, we might not have to worry about those damn turnovers. Unless we fumble.

[saden1]

My argument is that the defense didn't suck as much as the offense. This loss cannot be blamed on the defense, certainly not more so than the offense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

My argument is that the defense didn't suck as much as the offense.

Well, you're wrong.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, you're wrong.

In these matters I am never wrong. Have you explored the possibility that you're wrong?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What part of England is that accent from? Sydney or Melbourne? LOL.

What can I say? It's late and I've just been through some emotional trauma.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

In these matters I am never wrong. Have you explored the possibility that you're wrong?

Yeah, but, it was kind of ridiculous and a complete waste of my time.

You kind of ran out of steam around the time you claimed that we got away from running the ball. The rest of the time, you've just been playing catch-up.

Theory: they stuck you with Rams-Seahawks out there.