Cardinals Release RB James

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bottom line is: I don't think Edge can still be a starter, but even at age 31, he's still a more effective runner behind a worse OL than what Betts (age 30) is behind ours. I think he's a better runner for our scheme than Betts is, and ultimately, we'd be a better team with Portis and Edge splitting carries than with Betts and Portis.

James can catch out of the backfield too.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hey, I agree with you. RB is the need position on this team that wasn't addressed. People are going to complain about the OL, but we're very deep on the OL at every position but LT. That was the only real "need" position on the OL. Meanwhile, we have a very poor RB situation past Portis, who just enjoyed his career year. We simply didn't address it.

But oh well, there's always next year to address our two biggest needs.

True; though we've got a good portion of our line nearing that a couple years left of effectiveness mark too. Several spots to fill, and RB in the next year or two should be something that we look at, but that seems to be a position that can usually be filled relatively quickly.

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

It doesn't sound like you are viewing the whole league...just the Guants formula for success.

1). Not all the NFL's winning teams have "big" receivers. EX: Eagles, Panthers, Steelers, Ravens. All playoff teams whose primary receiver is under 6 feet tall.

Uh. You're wrong. Patriots have Randy Moss. Giants had Plaxico. Cards have Fitzgerald, Boldin. Steelers have Holmes, who is 5'11" but won them the game with his outstanding leaping ability and spectacular catches. Eagles are the exception and panthers are primarily a rushing O.

2). We have put a premium on pass rushers in recent history, we just won't reach for a guy in the draft. Carter, Arrington (drafted 3rd overall), Washington were all considered to be "pass rushers". Hell, even old ass Bruce Smith.

You gave me 3 names for the last 15 years. Of these names, Arrington was only a true pass rusher for one year, and Bruce Smith...well let's not go there. Fact is, the FO has not put emphasis on this position until recently.

3). I don't know what you think "starting caliber" is for RB's but no one could reasonably afford to have 3! Referance the playoff teams above. You are lucky to have two (like the Panthers) but well off with 1 stud and a solid back-up (like the Patriots).

You're reaching dude. I can think of most teams in the NFL that now have at least two starting caliber backs on their team. We are the only team now that promotes a primary one back system. Gtripp confirmed this, and agreed with me that running back is a definite need on this team.

If you disapprove of the FO so much...go root for another team! Snyder isn't going anywhere and Vinny has actually improved our talent acquisition since taking over

So the fact that I disapprove of the FO makes me a hater and I am not loyal? Are you kidding me? This site would not even exist if this were the protocol for being a skins fan. By the way, after searching your post history, you have just proven yourself to be a hypocrite. Clearly you're not ok with all of the moves this front office has made. If it were up to you, Matt Hasselbeck would be our starting QB. Don't give me any self righteous sh*t about being a fan.

[GTripp0012]

There are teams in the league who have worse RB situations than we do:

1. Seattle
2. St. Louis
3. Kansas City
4. Jacksonville
5. Cincinnati
6. Green Bay
7. Cleveland

But that's about it. We're in the last quadrant in terms of RB depth. And our solution is to lean more heavily than anyone else on their No. 1 RB. Which, I don't think is a very sound strategy.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not sure how much of Betts' lack of carries last year was on him or just a bad coaching decision on Zorn. Betts has proven in the past that he's certainly a more than capable backup. If Betts was viewed as a poor backup why not ship him out? It's not like his cap number makes that an unreasonable thing to do.

Well it's been a couple years since Betts' big "year" so who knows if he's still the same guy? Maybe we should've given him the shot to be, but I think a lot goes on saying hey we're paying Portis to play full games and that's what's going to happen, whether that's the stubborn way to do it or what.

[celts32]

The skins have no use for Edge what so ever. The Redskins need a change of pace back behind Portis. Someone who can take it to the house. Betts gets like 5 carries a game...his role is irrelevant unless CP is injured. The Redskins need someone who can present a different dimension to the running game then CP and it isn't Edge or Betts.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

So the fact that I disapprove of the FO makes me a hater and I am not loyal? Are you kidding me? This site would not even exist if this were the protocol for being a skins fan. By the way, after searching your post history, you have just proven yourself to be a hypocrite. Clearly you're not ok with all of the moves this front office has made. If it were up to you, Matt Hasselbeck would be our starting QB. Don't give me any self righteous sh*t about being a fan.

Actually, if you have viewed my post history you would see that I view the last few years of our acquisition very favorably. Next time you make a statement, please reference a specific post.

Also, the Hasselbeck point you are trying to use was in response to a thread (I believe tounge in cheek) about using MH as a stop gap until Brennan is ready to start, if Seattle would have chosen Sanchez and dropped MH. And yes, I would have approved of that strategy and traded JC for a 2nd round pick this year (hopefully to the Vikings) which could have been used on OT's Loadholt or Beatty. I am one who readily admits that I see Brennan taking over at QB in 2010 or 2011 if we would have acquired MH in free agency. All a moot point now, post-draft.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but...unapologetically so. I do not see the point in some of you guys constantly berating the FO and bashing every move we do/don't make. I do not agree with everything we do but, to answer your quip, yes...I do root for whomever is wearing a Redskins jersey come football season. That's what fans do whether they agree with the personnel or not. I am not a Rush Limbaugh-esque Skins fan. I'll never want my team to fail simply because I don't like the boss's strategy. But hey that's me...keep on hating!

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Actually, if you have viewed my post history you would see that I view the last few years of our acquisition very favorably. Next time you make a statement, please reference a specific post.

Dude, you're so far off base. Someone questions our backup RB and accuses the FO of being slow to make the proper personnel moves, so they are a hater? First of all, I went on record as saying I have approved most of what Vinny has done the last two seasons. You clearly overlooked that post within this thread. I absolutely loved the Haynesworth and Hall signings while most people blasted VC. I like Jason Campbell and fall into the category of those who wish to add to the O line instead of going after a big name QB. Just because I disapprove of a certain player, doesn't mean that I'm not going to cheer on my team. If we had given up our draft and moved up for Sanchez, I would have been pissed as hell, but I'm still going to root for the Redskins. For you to question my allegiance based on the fact that I want a new RB, and to say that I want the team to fail, is absolutely childish and ridiculous.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

Dude, you're so far off base. Someone questions our backup RB and accuses the FO of being slow to make the proper personnel moves, so they are a hater? First of all, I went on record as saying I have approved most of what Vinny has done the last two seasons. You clearly overlooked that post within this thread. I absolutely loved the Haynesworth and Hall signings while most people blasted VC. I like Jason Campbell and fall into the category of those who wish to add to the O line instead of going after a big name QB. Just because I disapprove of a certain player, doesn't mean that I'm not going to cheer on my team. If we had given up our draft and moved up for Sanchez, I would have been pissed as hell, but I'm still going to root for the Redskins. For you to question my allegiance based on the fact that I want a new RB, and to say that I want the team to fail, is absolutely childish and ridiculous.

Alright...enough already! Welcome to the Path...GO SKINS!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Alright...enough already! Welcome to the Path...GO SKINS!

say the jan 09 to the march 09

heh, i'm setting myself up here

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

say the jan 09 to the march 09

heh, i'm setting myself up here

Newbie -to- Newbie.....LOL

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

Uh. You're wrong. Patriots have Randy Moss. Giants had Plaxico. Cards have Fitzgerald, Boldin. Steelers have Holmes, who is 5'11" but won them the game with his outstanding leaping ability and spectacular catches. Eagles are the exception and panthers are primarily a rushing O.

I think you missed his point, he wasn't saying EVERY playoff team has small wr's, but that some (and he provided examples) do.
Funny you used the pats as an example, they won super bowls without him, and not with him. haha.

You're reaching dude. I can think of most teams in the NFL that now have at least two starting caliber backs on their team. We are the only team now that promotes a primary one back system. Gtripp confirmed this, and agreed with me that running back is a definite need on this team.

It's amazing what 1 year can do...Betts was considered a viable starting caliber back just a year ago. I think we need to get younger at the position personally, but it's not like Betts is a piece of poo.
Wow...the ONLY team huh? Sure you don't want to rethink that?

[KingRaloIV]

Lets make a move for James and get rid of Betts! Lets put Mason in to back up portis and let james be the power back. He is durable and would be a good 1-2 punch for the running game.

[Skins4L]

^
agreed.

Edge would be a solid pickup... hed be great pounding up the middle when CP needs a spell.
Lets sign Edgerrin James (one year deal). then proceed to TRADE Betts.

next year WE SHOULD draft another RB. at least a second rounder with potential.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I put these guys up here because one is the control (Alexander) who obviously will never play in the NFL again. Betts is the guy currently under contract here. And Edge is the best the FA market has to offer.

All three of these guys have something in common: that their days as a quality starter are clearly in the rear view mirror. But Portis is what, a year or two from that himself? The presence of a complementary back is more important this year than ever before.

Edge is clearly the better player than Betts at this point in their careers, and he's historically less of an injury risk (1 game missed due to injury in last 5 years), and he's coming off a year where the Cardinals did not at all abuse his legs, and he was effective in limited action.

I say this because Football Outsiders has him as the perfectly average back last year while backfield mate Tim Hightower was one of the worst in the league behind the same line, which ranked 30th in adjusted line yards and 29th in power rushing success. As riddled as our line was last year, it was unquestionably better than that, even in it's worst form.

Going back a season, Edge was still an average runner, even while JJ Arrington was one of the least valuable players in the league.

Bottom line is: I don't think Edge can still be a starter, but even at age 31, he's still a more effective runner behind a worse OL than what Betts (age 30) is behind ours. I think he's a better runner for our scheme than Betts is, and ultimately, we'd be a better team with Portis and Edge splitting carries than with Betts and Portis.

What I got from Bett's numbers is that the more he touches the ball the better his average is per carry. We use him to come in and run maybe a couple of plays and he might get the ball one out of those couple of plays each time he hits the field. We never give him the to get a good feel for the game. Most teams will wait until like the second half when their starter starts to get tired and turn it over to their backup to take the bulk of the snaps. That gives them the time to get a feel for what the line is doing and gives them a better chance to get better yards. I don't care how they use him but he just needs more touches to get a feel for the game.