Have We Seen The Last of Archuleta in a Skins Uniform?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I must be the only one left (beside Lloyd's mama) who thinks Lloyd still has upside and potential. I wouldn't give up on him just yet

Well, he's still young, which is his advantage over Patten. I'm just not one to believe that the ability to block, run good routes, go fearlessly over the middle, and be a good special teams player can be developed at age 26.

I DO believe that his attitude problems will improve with age. But even if they do, and he becomes an outstanding person/citizen, you are still left with a below average NFL receiver.

I'm worried that my predjudices with the idiotic trade that brought him here may be affecting my perception of Lloyd the receiver, but I just can't see him improving to the point where he deserves a roster spot.

Archuleta's only issue is health. Lloyd's best case scenario is a glorified third wideout. If I'm going to hope for one guy to free up cap space for the future, why wouldn't it be Lloyd?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think with El, Thrash, and Espy you'd have three receivers who play teams. Then the remaining receivers would be Moss and Lloyd. Three out of five WRs who play teams ain't bad.

I like Patten, but I'd let him go. Injuries and age are not playing in his favor.

I would say to deserve a roster spot, a receiver who isn't starting must be able to play teams. At least, if I was building a roster, I'd take the player who could play teams over a slightly better WR would couldn't.

3/5 isn't horrible, and I wouldn't bet the farm that the 5th guy would be Espy.

But by virtue of age and contract, Patten probably has to go. I thought he was a great signing when we brought him in, but things just didn't work out.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Archuleta simply has to prove to me that he can still tackle. If he comes back next year and starts popping some heads, we don't have a better second safety option on this team. Worst case scenario, give the job to Prioleau and have an experienced backup.

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The problem with AA as I remember it was not tackling. He was actually leading the team in tackles at the time of his demotion. Maybe he wasn't showing up regularily on you got jacked up but he was bringing guys down.

The problem was coverage. Not only could he not cover any TE's, but receivers routinely blew by him in the cover 2 set, where the safety's job is basically to not let anyone get behind him. That's why he got demoted. You can argue that the team wasn't using him right, and that's probably true, but it was his ability to zone cover in the cover 2 that was chiefly responsible for his removal from the starting lineup.

At least that's how I remember it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

The problem with AA as I remember it was not tackling. He was actually leading the team in tackles at the time of his demotion. Maybe he wasn't showing up regularily on you got jacked up but he was bringing guys down.

The problem was coverage. Not only could he not cover any TE's, but receivers routinely blew by him in the cover 2 set, where the safety's job is basically to not let anyone get behind him. That's why he got demoted. You can argue that the team wasn't using him right, and that's probably true, but it was his ability to zone cover in the cover 2 that was chiefly responsible for his removal from the starting lineup.

At least that's how I remember it.

Either way, it seems to be a product of an undisclosed injury. It will come together if he's healthy. If he's never going to be healthy again, thats a different story.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Either way, it seems to be a product of an undisclosed injury. It will come together if he's healthy. If he's never going to be healthy again, thats a different story.

So does that mean that we signed this guy before making sure he was 100% healthy? If we gave him that contract without knowing if he was healthy or not would make our FO look bad (Not like it hasn't already).

I hope its simply because he doesn't fit the scheme.

[PorterHouse]

This dude is gettin burnt by FB's and Blocking TE's. Good riddens. We should dump the chump and draft Landry, or tell Fox To crap or get off the pot. We know Fox is crazy fast, and hes a hammer. We dont need AA. Doesnt he always look like he just got finished crying? His eyes all red.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

So does that mean that we signed this guy before making sure he was 100% healthy? If we gave him that contract without knowing if he was healthy or not would make our FO look bad (Not like it hasn't already).

I hope its simply because he doesn't fit the scheme.

Schemes can help hide weaknesses and promote strengths, but it wont turn a top 10 safety into a worthless player. An injury can.

Many league figures believe that Arch was banged up pretty bad at the conclusion of 2005, so I'm guessing our medical staff ran a physical on him, but didn't find what was so wrong with his back that it hurt his ability to run and tackle.

The Fins made a similar mistake with Culpepper, but the differerence was that they didn't invest the house into that one.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

The problem with AA as I remember it was not tackling. He was actually leading the team in tackles at the time of his demotion. Maybe he wasn't showing up regularily on you got jacked up but he was bringing guys down.

The problem was coverage. Not only could he not cover any TE's, but receivers routinely blew by him in the cover 2 set, where the safety's job is basically to not let anyone get behind him. That's why he got demoted. You can argue that the team wasn't using him right, and that's probably true, but it was his ability to zone cover in the cover 2 that was chiefly responsible for his removal from the starting lineup.

At least that's how I remember it.

Additionally, since the biggest problem with the team was tackling, if he WAS leading the team in tackles at the time of his benching, then we made a big mistake by benching him. Let's face it, we didn't exactly get a great cover guy in Fox to replace him, in fact our pass D got even worse.

[redskinsfanatic]

when is david patten due hus bonis?theu have to cut him!

[big_rod]

Originally Posted by offiss

AA want's out just as bad as we want him out, that is why they have an agreement to extend his bonus, I would be fairly sure that he is willing to kick back money if it lands him with the right team, he knows he's going to get a big check regardless, I just think he was so humilited last season that he has something to prove and knows he can't do it in Williams system, he knows his strengths and weakness's and wasen't used to his strength and from what I can remember he flat out called us liers about the condition of how he would be used when he signed. I think something will get done I just don't think he will bring back anything but some cap relief.

Offiss, you make so much sense. A large part of this thread has been spent around the notion that Archuleta sucked, which he did, as did the WHOLE DEFENSE! However, I think the defensive coaches (starting with G. Williams) needs to be held accountable, too.

I remember reading that some scouts around the league were surprised we even picked up Archuleta (and then puzzled at the way we utilized him). As Offiss pointed out, Archuleta seemed to have been lied to in how he was or would be used. It was very clear around the league that Archuleta is a great safety when used in "run support" and NOT in "pass" defense.

One thing I've always taken and remembered from John Madden that he said back in the late 80s (or perhaps 90s) was that (paraphrasing) "...a good coach always finds a way to utilize the talent that he has". A new coach, for example, can't come to his new team and institute a run and shoot offense when the personnel on the team are more structured around a smash mouth running style of team. He just doesn't have the wide receiver talent and conditioning to go pass, pass, pass. So, I say all this to say that I think Gregg Williams either misjudged Archuleta's talents in the pass defense or Williams simply forced something that just wasn't going to work. So again, I think accountability needs to be looked at by the defensive coaches as well.

Also, those (alleged) reports from The Washington Post about Steve Jackson moping on the sidelines during games because the secondary (safeties) was struggling, and then him and Jerry Gray having different meetings and philosophies with regard to defensive secondary strategies going on didn't help the matter either with the players on the field during game days.

This also points to the fact that Gregg Williams publicly said that (paraphrasing) "... NOW that Jerry Gray is here (since secondary coach Dwayne Smith moved on), we can employ even more packages because Jerry knows what I expect since we worked together back in Buffalo".

Those statements by Williams would suggest that he is very comfortable with Jerry Gray, and IF Steve Jackson is not getting the job done then perhaps Jerry Gray should be running the whole show in regard to the secondary; in an event like that, there would only be one consistent voice back there with no conflicting stuff being said to the players.

Some fans including myself were surprised that Steve Jackson wasn't also dismissed (again, based upon The Washington Post article)when Kirk Olivadotti was let go. Though I am under no illusion that it was Olivadotti's fault that the defense didn't play well, it was collectively all the defensive players and coaches that failed last season.

Anyway, that's my 200-cents!

ROD

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I must be the only one left (beside Lloyd's mama) who thinks Lloyd still has upside and potential. I wouldn't give up on him just yet

I think Lloyd isn't all bad. He was hurt by rubber arm MB most of the season. He's a deep threat who never got deep balls. When I watched most of our big runs Lloyd was throwing great blocks down field. He got some bad PR towards the end of the season when he was wide open for a TD and Campbell missed him. We actually were not eliminated from Playoffs until then........

[HailttRedskins]

I don't think Lloyd is as bad as everyone wants to make him appear to be, sure he could be better, but he isn't real bad. He helped us beat the Jaguars, and almost won us the game against the Titans, untill Brunell did his nice throw into quad coverage on Moss.


I was listening to ESPN radio the other day, and they said they already made a deal to get rid of Archuletas 5million in bonuses, so all we'll have now is a 9 million cap hurt.

[rvd420]

i think we're going to trade aa and get either landry or merriweather in the draft.we seem to like players from the U.so merriweather would work.
HAIL SKINS 4 LIFE!!! oh yea dont count out us getting bly just yet.

[HailttRedskins]

If we wanted Bly, didnt we have to trade Portis?

[rvd420]

na adam archuletta for bly would be good.besides they got henry now.archy's an ass anyway. i went to trainin camp last year and a fan told him he was there to get archys autograph and archy said the fan was lucky that he even came over there to sign.archy must have forgot the fans overpay his sorry ass!!!!!!