If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what?

[That Guy]

agents tend to be the voice pieces of the players in these matters (money) and they need to know how to work the contracts... I agree that the fans have generally no respect for agents though since they tend to promote greed and hinder a fan's team (whichever team that may be) by demanding more than $1 contracts

[drew54]

How much will we save if we chop Mark Brunell. Don't start the flame war, but maybe we should keep Ramsey and get rid of Brunell's monster cap number.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by drew54

How much will we save if we chop Mark Brunell. Don't start the flame war, but maybe we should keep Ramsey and get rid of Brunell's monster cap number.

no cba or pre june 1 and we'd have to pay 300k more to cut him than keep him.

if a new cba happens, he can be cut post june 1 and save 1mill next year and something around 4.5-5mill this year.

ramsey would cost 1.88mill to keep. I mentioned this possibility in the cap analysis thread; it would make some sense (though i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt gibbs would ever consider it).

[44deisel44]

Originally Posted by That Guy

no cba or pre june 1 and we'd have to pay 300k more to cut him than keep him.

if a new cba happens, he can be cut post june 1 and save 1mill next year and something around 4.5-5mill this year.

ramsey would cost 1.88mill to keep. I mentioned this possibility in the cap analysis thread; it would make some sense (though i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt gibbs would ever consider it).

Wish i was your age Guy.....more responsibilities theses days....used to have the energy to be on top of things b4. Long story short...thx 4 your time and KNOWLEDGE...u my new hero and not jokin....appreciate your research dude.
that ramsey fan guy seems to have a I AM RIGHT ALWAYS attitude....nice to hear from a true skins fan.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

Wish i was your age Guy.....more responsibilities theses days....used to have the energy to be on top of things b4. Long story short...thx 4 your time and KNOWLEDGE...u my new hero and not jokin....appreciate your research dude.
that ramsey fan guy seems to have a I AM RIGHT ALWAYS attitude....nice to hear from a true skins fan.

Are you talking about Ramseyfan? Our very own Ramseyfan? I don't agree with him on a lot, but I don't think he has an "always right" attitude and he does a good job of presenting evidence to support his claim. I think he's a true skins fan

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

Wish i was your age Guy.....more responsibilities theses days....used to have the energy to be on top of things b4. Long story short...thx 4 your time and KNOWLEDGE...u my new hero and not jokin....appreciate your research dude.
that ramsey fan guy seems to have a I AM RIGHT ALWAYS attitude....nice to hear from a true skins fan.

I am sorry that you feel that way. I definately never wanted to sound like an a-hole. People that know me well definately wouldn't say that I am arrogant. Perhaps I have sounded like that sometimes, but I can assure you that it was not my intent. In point of fact, I have loudly and repeatedly eaten crow about several issues (i.e. Gibbs' decision to bench Ramsey in favor of Brunell). I have a lot to learn about the cap, the front office, the players, the coaches, and the game more generally.

If you point me to any instances in which I sounded arrogant, I would be happy to either clarify my statements, apologize for sounding obnoxious, or both.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I am sorry that you feel that way. I definately never wanted to sound like an a-hole. People that know me well definately wouldn't say that I am arrogant. Perhaps I have sounded like that sometimes, but I can assure you that it was not my intent. In point of fact, I have loudly and repeatedly eaten crow about several issues (i.e. Gibbs' decision to bench Ramsey in favor of Brunell). I have a lot to learn about the cap, the front office, the players, the coaches, and the game more generally.

If you point me to any instances in which I sounded arrogant, I would be happy to either clarify my statements, apologize for sounding obnoxious, or both.

I just can't imagine he's talking about you. It doesn't seem to fit.

[Redskins8588]

Someone help me on understanding this one, but if the salary cap is $95 million for 2006, than the Redskins are only over by about $11 million? And if thats the case then we are not really in that bad of shape, like say the jets or oakland, right???

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Someone help me on understanding this one, but if the salary cap is $95 million for 2006, than the Redskins are only over by about $11 million? And if thats the case then we are not really in that bad of shape, like say the jets or oakland, right???

The Redskins are over the 2006 cap by $20 million. Plus, they need room to sign Clark and Royal (no biggie). Plus, they need about $2 million to sign rookies. Plus, they need room to sign any free agents to replace cut or traded players and those who replace players whose contracts expired.

Without an extension to the deal, it is going to get REAL ugly (i.e. losing some star players or a bunch of good ones we don't want to lose).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Someone help me on understanding this one, but if the salary cap is $95 million for 2006, than the Redskins are only over by about $11 million? And if thats the case then we are not really in that bad of shape, like say the jets or oakland, right???

116 - 95 = 21$ mill over... the raiders are over by more, but they're MUCH better off, becaue they can release 2 players and clear 18.5$mill in space, even without a new cba... the skins can't do that cause ALL the contracts here inflate at the same time, so there's no big money guys to drop outside of maybe lavar.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by That Guy

116 - 95 = 21$ mill over... the raiders are over by more, but they're MUCH better off, becaue they can release 2 players and clear 18.5$mill in space, even without a new cba... the skins can't do that cause ALL the contracts here inflate at the same time, so there's no big money guys to drop outside of maybe lavar.

ok, so what would you say would be our worse case plan if there is no cba agreement, like who do you see us getting rid of, or what other options do we have?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

ok, so what would you say would be our worse case plan if there is no cba agreement, like who do you see us getting rid of, or what other options do we have?

listed this before, but basically, if lavar can be ditched and his bonus withheld, that's the biggest move (5mill i believe).

Lavar - $5mill
Bowen - $2mill
Harris - $2mill
Noble - $1.7mill
Ramsey - $1.6mill
Hall - $1.18mill
Raymer - $985k
Thrash - $875k
Tupa - $601k
Prioleau - $550k

that's about $16mill in somewhat easy cuts...

Frost (P), Brown (WR), Farris (WR), Riley (DE) - 460k each, but would have to be replaced with younger FAs at 235k-310k a pop... at 230k savings each - $920k

5 no names at 385k - 235 = 150k savings each - $750k

up to about 17.7mill, as you can see, its getting harder

only 3 guys on the roster have over 1.5mill in base salary (jansen, thomas, brunell), if you can ask them to each give back (actual give money back, yikes) 500k this year (AND enough money next year to comply with the 30% rule)
jansen - $500k (gives back 500k in 2006 and 0k in 2007)
brunell - $500k (500k in 06 and 650k in 07)
thomas - $500k (500k in 06 and 100k in 07)

up to 19.2mill and we've already had to make huge logic stretches... now it gets really harsh

releasing 16 1st/2nd years and bringing in absolutely NO competition for training camp (10@235k, 6@310k) - $2.35mill + $1.86mill = $4.21mill

23.4mill, just enough to sign rookies and pray no one sucks or gets hurt in training camp

and that's a real stretch, in reality, guys like betts, sellers, and maybe starters like dockery or daniels or patten or wynn all get released too.

[Sean Taylor is God]

can we really afford to get rid of bowen and prioleau with clark as a free-agent and taylor's legal issues? prioleau is a heady guy who can backup both safety positions, i think williams keeps him, and they resign clark. your thoughts?

[Redskins8588]

Yeah, my bad, I see that now, I must have see different numbers in my mind when I looked at our cap sheets...

[MTK]

Word seems to be the CBA is coming in the next few days, but I haven't seen anything that says it's officially done.