34th Overall Pick

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

6-3 243lbs ? Safety?

He definitely doesn't look 243 unless that happened since the season ended. Dude looks like he's barely 210-220 in these videos which isn't even close to ILB size.

[SirLK26]

If we drafted Van Noy, I just couldn't see us moving him to safety, regardless of weight. The dude is a monster pass rusher and has great ball instincts. He needs to be around the ball as much as possible, so ILB would be great for him. He's solid in coverage, and I think he could develop into a decent safety, but he's a linebacker all the way, IMO.

[MTK]

Another 10 lbs or so and he'll be fine for playing inside. He's tall so I think it makes him look slimmer than he really is.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Frame wise he reminded me of Jason Taylor a little

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Well, great defenses are just a part of one recipe for a SB. Because in addition to a great defense, Seattle has a consistent offense that can score points when they're needed and also run out the clock, as well as a solid special teams unit. And Denver made it to the SB by riding an offense that just crushed everyone with points. Sure, you can argue that they lost in the end, but the most important thing is that they made it there. San Francisco has a great defense, and they lost to the Ravens in the 2012 SB. The Ravens weren't great at anything, but solid everywhere and just got hot at the right time.

That list could go on. The point is that building a great defense isn't the only way to get to the SB. You can get there with pretty much any combination as long as you're solid overall.

That out of the way, I think you know I'll be happy going secondary at #34, especially if it's Verrett. I just want us to take a great player at a position of need who can contribute early and also in the long run. Really, really can't afford to flub this pick up. Honestly, a great RT makes the most sense at #34, because we won't be going to the SB for a few years yet even if things work out like they're supposed to; we might as well protect RG3 as he improves in the meantime and make sure he's still standing 5 years down the road. Please, Allen, just make a smart choice and I'll be happy.

I understand protecting RGIII, but it can only go so far at the expense of your team as a whole. There's a big disparity between the talent level on offense and defense right now. I know it's not a popular opinion (going against upgrading both sides of the lines), but it's a greater upgrade for the team as a whole if the Redskins upgrade secondary versus any other position or part of the team. Neglecting a major need in the secondary year after year to create a stout offensive line - doesn't make sense to me. It's just really unbalanced. And it also indirectly creates undue pressure on RGIII and the Redskins offense by needing to consistently score more points than a weak defense is giving them up.

RGIII will need to adapt to the weak link at the offensive line in Polumbus. And by all accounts by the current and past regimes, the coaches don't feel he's that bad. The Redskins also can't operate like RGIII is as fragile as a china doll.

At least last season's weak link was upgraded with the addition and shuffle at the center and guard positions.

[los panda]

where are we posting our mocks?

[warriorzpath]

... and I'm sold on Deone Bucannon. He has everything and all the potential in the world. Only thing keeping him under the radar is - he's from Washington State.

[warriorzpath]

Inside linebacker also isn't as great a need as most think compared to what the Redskins coaches think. Keenan Robinson was receiving the highest praise from Haslett during recent workouts. They also have a bunch of veterans there that the Redskins brought in to hedge their bets a bit.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Inside linebacker also isn't as great a need as most think compared to what the Redskins coaches think. Keenan Robinson was receiving the highest praise from Haslett during recent workouts. They also have a bunch of veterans there that the Redskins brought in to hedge their bets a bit.

Disagree, injured 2 years in a row, backups are backups at best.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Disagree, injured 2 years in a row, backups are backups at best.

Got some insider perspective on how he's developed? Being injured and playing like a backup are 2 different things.

And he was backing up a player that has produced near Hall of Fame numbers.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I understand protecting RGIII, but it can only go so far at the expense of your team as a whole. There's a big disparity between the talent level on offense and defense right now. I know it's not a popular opinion (going against upgrading both sides of the lines), but it's a greater upgrade for the team as a whole if the Redskins upgrade secondary versus any other position or part of the team. Neglecting a major need in the secondary year after year to create a stout offensive line - doesn't make sense to me. It's just really unbalanced. And it also indirectly creates undue pressure on RGIII and the Redskins offense by needing to consistently score more points than a weak defense is giving them up.

RGIII will need to adapt to the weak link at the offensive line in Polumbus. And by all accounts by the current and past regimes, the coaches don't feel he's that bad. The Redskins also can't operate like RGIII is as fragile as a china doll.

At least last season's weak link was upgraded with the addition and shuffle at the center and guard positions.

A lot of your first paragraph is true, but to specifically target an area of the team and then to go into the draft and try to fix that area even at the expense of taking better players just isn't smart. I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need. That is the only way to build a team. And apparently our current FO understands that, because they used FA, for the most part, exactly how you're supposed to: a way to build depth. With the additions of Tracy Porter and Ryan Clark, secondary isn't as big of a need as it was when FA started, so now they can go into the draft and take BPA. They don't have to go into pick #34 and say, "Okay, there's a lot of great players available, but our secondary is in such need that let's take this guy even though there's higher rated players at different positions on our board."

If a DB is BPA at #34, I'll be leaping up and down as high as you. Because secondary is a big need and needs to be taken care of, I agree. But not at the expense of a better player at a different position.

About my comment on RTs, I wasn't suggesting that we reach for one or specifically target one with our first pick at all. I was saying that if a RT is BPA, that could be better for our team long-term than if a DB is BPA.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... and I'm sold on Deone Bucannon. He has everything and all the potential in the world. Only thing keeping him under the radar is - he's from Washington State.

Yup, I am too. He's a great safety with a very high ceiling, IMO.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

A lot of your first paragraph is true, but to specifically target an area of the team and then to go into the draft and try to fix that area even at the expense of taking better players just isn't smart. I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need. That is the only way to build a team. And apparently our current FO understands that, because they used FA, for the most part, exactly how you're supposed to: a way to build depth. With the additions of Tracy Porter and Ryan Clark, secondary isn't as big of a need as it was when FA started, so now they can go into the draft and take BPA. They don't have to go into pick #34 and say, "Okay, there's a lot of great players available, but our secondary is in such need that let's take this guy even though there's higher rated players at different positions on our board."

If a DB is BPA at #34, I'll be leaping up and down as high as you. Because secondary is a big need and needs to be taken care of, I agree. But not at the expense of a better player at a different position.

About my comment on RTs, I wasn't suggesting that we reach for one or specifically target one with our first pick at all. I was saying that if a RT is BPA, that could be better for our team long-term than if a DB is BPA.

The thing about BPA that most fans don't understand though is - most teams don't go about the draft with pure BPA. They create their draft board with the players they rank - relative to their needs. In other words, needs impact player rankings.

[warriorzpath]

... so the higher the need at a position -> the higher the team's ranking of a player at that position.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

The thing about BPA that most fans don't understand though is - most teams don't go about the draft with pure BPA. They create their draft board with the players they rank - relative to their needs. In other words, needs impact player rankings.

Yep, thus this quote from my post, "I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need." If Verrett is available, he'll likely be BPA according to our board. But if a less talented guy like, say, Ward, is available at #34 along with, say, Moses, I'd say it would be quite likely Moses would be BPA on our board.

I think we're basically saying the same thing, it's just that secondary is a bigger need to you than it is to me.