V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Buster

SD rejected an offer from the Vikes of a 2nd-round pick and conditional 2011 pick.

They want two second-rounders or a 2nd- and 3rd from the same year. They won't get that much for a problem child WR. Yes he's talented, but some risk comes along with him.

Vikings-Chargers deal for Jackson looks bleak - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

4pm looms soon. I wonder if they would take a 2nd round pick for the next draft 2011 and a guarenteed 3rd for 2012? We would still have;
2011: 1, VJ, DMac, Brown(NO), 5, 6, 7.
2012: 1, 2, VJ, 4, 5, 6, 7.

It doesn't look bad when you look at what you got for the pick. Tell me your not happy with the 2011 3rd round pick and possibly 4th round pick. I'd say we did good. To throw in a proven WR would be a steal of a draft.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Would we be better with VJ at wideout? Absolutely.

But what does better define? A game? Maybe. 2 games? I doubt it.

I'm not giving a 2nd rounder for someone that won't be able to contribute a very significant difference to this organization. GM Allen is going to pass unless we can work a deal out with Haynesworth, which seems like a stretch to me as well.

I think we're stuck with Haynesworth until the off-season, pending the current situation doesn't evolve much.

This is still a rebuilding team. And we need to focus on our foundation first. If we're going to focus on a solid line for next year, I think we've gotta pass on this right now.

#1- it would be more then 1 game. I don't know where you got that idea?
He can't come back until game 6. Two of the three games he was not supposed to report are gone. Bring him in and give him the playbook to study. Then he can come in to practice for 2 weeks. Game six we put him on the field. Thats atleast 10 he has to contribute.

#2- If and I say if the team would pull the trigger, most of you are saying it would be too much for him, but if we did you have to admit he's got to be better and would produce more then R.Williams, and possibly Armstrong. I'd keep Moss, Galloway, Armstrong, VJ, Thomas, and Banks(namely for screen passes, KR/PR). Next yr we could have Moss, Armstrong, VJ, Thomas, Banks, and Austin. For those wanting the team to get younger they would have.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

#1- it would be more then 1 game. I don't know where you got that idea?
He can't come back until game 6. Two of the three games he was not supposed to report are gone. Bring him in and give him the playbook to study. Then he can come in to practice for 2 weeks. Game six we put him on the field. Thats atleast 10 he has to contribute.

#2- If and I say if the team would pull the trigger, most of you are saying it would be too much for him, but if we did you have to admit he's got to be better and would produce more then R.Williams, and possibly Armstrong. I'd keep Moss, Galloway, Armstrong, VJ, Thomas, and Banks(namely for screen passes, KR/PR). Next yr we could have Moss, Armstrong, VJ, Thomas, Banks, and Austin. For those wanting the team to get younger they would have.

Rob is saying, "How do you measure 'better'?" Would we be one win better? Two? We certainly wouldn't be 10 wins better.

Bottomline: we can win without him, and we need our picks. Case closed.

[SBXVII]

On a side note I hope they don't get rid of AH. I hope that they deactivate him every game until he decides to practice and play. We paid him 21 mill and because he comes in throwing a tantrum and playing half arse some people are saying lets just cut him. Others are saying lets get what we can get. No not me. I'm not paying someone 21 mill, and because he's not happy simply doing whatever it takes to make him happy ie; trading him for scraps or cutting him so he can go wherever he wants to. Not going to happen.

I would get 21 mill of entertainment one way or another. AH does not want to play, is unhappy, not putting forth effort, then he can ride the bench so I can see what 21 mill bought me week in and week out the whole time he's not playing for a whole yr. Who's going to want him next yr? He's old, almost useless now (atleast for us), and would not have played for a whole yr. Teams kinda shy away from that. Look at Big Mike Williams... we were the only team that gave him a shot and he still ended up injured. Other teams would be weighting that heavily.

No let AH ride the pine and let the fans ridicule him every week.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Rob is saying, "How do you measure 'better'?" Would we be one win better? Two? We certainly wouldn't be 10 wins better.

Bottomline: we can win without him, and we need our picks. Case closed.

What are we getting for those picks? We have a 1st rounder I would not part with either. 2nd round talent is usually a work in progress, usually not starting material. To give away a draft pick for a starting WR which we will need unless your willing to gamble on a WR coming out of the draft like we did with Thomas and Kelly? Thinking ahead.... are we going to stick with Moss, Galloway, and R.Williams? Moss most likely. Galloway you'd want to keep and R.Williams? I'd give both up for VJ. Armstrong if he keeps developing will be awsome I think, Thomas still has work to do, and most of you all figured Banks wouldn't make the team.

So next yr your happy with Moss, Armstrong, Thomas, Austin, Banks, and who? R.Williams is not that great, Galloway is old, don't even mention Kelly cause I've written him off. I think the team is keeping him as a one last chance and if he's injured again (which is likely to happen) he's gone.

All I'm saying is the price is not as high as everyone thinks. Will there even be a draft next yr? It looks like there might not even be a limit on what teams can spend. So why the worry? Arguements would be better if people argued that by spending all that money on VJ would raise ticket prices in order to pay for him. I'm not worried about that either cause its already too expensive for me so I watch at home. Then there is the rumor that teams might be able to keep 60 or 80 players especially if they ever decided to eliminate 2 preseason games and make them season games.

[SBXVII]

Here would be the situation in regards to draft picks:

2011: 1, VJ, McNabb, Brown, 5, 6, 7.

If your telling me VJ is not worth the #2 then I'm telling you McNabb was not worth the #3, and to me Brown is even questionable at #4. Why cause I presume people are wanting youth... McNabb is not youth nor is Brown. People are worried about VJ screwing up again and being told he can't play... I'm worried McNabb will get injured again and won't be able to play. Although I think Grossman will fill in nicely.

2012: 1, 2, VJ, 4, 5, 6, 7.

We would have a full set of draft picks except for the 3rd round which is a crap shoot anyway from there on out. Thats if the Chargers would even take a guarenteed 3rd. Thats all their getting next yr anyway if they don't do something with VJ and throwing in a second rounder a yr ealier is much better then just having a 3rd round pick.

[12thMan]

Well whatever happens it must take place by 4 PM today. I just don't see the Redskins being a serious suiter after McNabb just had the game of his life and giving up two picks when we have more pressing issues along the offensive line, running back, and defensive line. Not happening folks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well whatever happens it must take place by 4 PM today. I just don't see the Redskins being a serious suiter after McNabb just had the game of his life and giving up two picks when we have more pressing issues along the offensive line, running back, and defensive line. Not happening folks.

I'm argueing for VJ. Do I think it will happen. No. Like you I think MS is happy with what he has. But if MS is truly looking at other players to see if they will make the team better.... you can't say VJ would not make the team better or is not better then R.Williams. But do I think it will happen .... no. I'm guessing the Chargers have thrown out there what their asking price is and what the Vikes offered in hopes another team steps in the bidding war. Now it's the Chargers and Vikes and as PFT put it who blinks first. Do the Chargers take what ever they can get or do they Vikes throw in more at the last minute?

[RobH4413]

Are our receivers presently doing their job?

For the most part, yes. They appear to be running their routes, getting open, and catching passes. It's amazing how a receiving corps once thought to be among the worst in the league, can make plays like they have once they've got a quarterback. I haven't seen how they've been blocking, and I'd be curious to look at the game film to analyze it, but we haven't run a ton of screens so who knows.

I just don't know how much better we're going to get by adding VJ, when we can't run the ball and don't have significant O-line depth (see HEYER). If we can accomplish all of that by next season, then I'd say go for it.

I just don't know if that's possible.

[Mechanix544]

I think someone is gonna get him today. The Chargers HAVE to be realizing that a 2nd and a 5th or 4th is better than NOTHING. Their leverage is right now at an all time low, just as ours is with albert haynesworthless.

[tryfuhl]

I love how they argue it based on Brandon Marshall's deal.. when the Dolphins had Marshall ready for the long term contract and Marshall wasn't missing games or had the chance to be sat out a full season if he commits another league violation

I wouldn't give a 2nd and 3rd based on that

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

4pm looms soon. I wonder if they would take a 2nd round pick for the next draft 2011 and a guarenteed 3rd for 2012? We would still have;
2011: 1, VJ, DMac, Brown(NO), 5, 6, 7.
2012: 1, 2, VJ, 4, 5, 6, 7.

It doesn't look bad when you look at what you got for the pick. Tell me your not happy with the 2011 3rd round pick and possibly 4th round pick. I'd say we did good. To throw in a proven WR would be a steal of a draft.

The way I see it, that is two first rounders and a second rounder in the next two years. I can live with that. All of em unproven commodities.

VJ - proven above average WR in the NFL, and how often do you have the chance to get a top 15 WR in the league, and with McNabb and Cooley, imagine the things that they could do. (also way safer than another MK or DT)

For a second and a third???????

Make the frikkin deal already. Gimme a break. (Everyone is all in, right? Win Now? Make the deal and lets move forward with this squad)

[CRedskinsRule]

I really can't believe that SD is going to settle for a compensatory 3rd, vs a 2nd (high if it is the Rams), and possibly another conditional. It just doesn't really make much sense.

[tryfuhl]

# NFL agents tell me Redskins may have deal in place for contract with VJ about 1 hour ago via web

Hacksaw 10am update....Washington back in VJ talks....discussing 2-deals simultaneously to get draft picks to send to San Diego about 1 hour ago via web

lee hamilton (hacksaw1090) on Twitter

[tryfuhl]

So if this guy from SD radio is right.. we're close to landing VJ.. and sending someone out of the building

not saying he's right, as we've heard these types of reports before..