Joe Gibbs lied

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by jdlea

No, you're right, the draft isn't over. I'm sure they'll get an insanely productive WR in the 4th round.

we have 5 picks and we have used two and i remember that cooley went in the third and he showed up

remeber mathis is available, we will have one fast group of recievers..... wait you don't want another fast man, you want a big man..... there is the Fred Gibson so i am not to worried, infact i am happy i just hope neither of them go so we can make a quality descision,

i would take mathis but that is me

[4mrusmc]

Since my beloved Redskins will not be going to the super bowl anytime soon, can anyone tell me how I can get VHS copies of past super bowls? Of course those would be the super bowls that the Redskins won. Any help would be greatly appriciated.

[MTK]

Has Gibbs handed the starting QB job over to Campbell??

He has said Ramsey is his starter, where are the lies?

[4mrusmc]

What NFL team has 4 Q.B.'s? Someone will be cut or traded. What offensive needs got addressed imediately? Certainly not from a rookie Q.B. But maybe he will be the second coming of MCnabb. We still need people who can catch touchdown passes!

[MTK]

Gibbs' comments on Ramsey:

“This does not affect Patrick in any way. I had talks with him last week. Patrick is our starter. Patrick is the guy we are counting on to taking us to the playoffs and championships here. We are trying to get every single thing around Patrick or any quarterback that played for us there. I talked to Patrick about our offensive line and our receivers and the efforts that we made there. We are counting on Patrick. Mark (Brunell) is sitting there in a position that is very important for us. He is a mature guy who can do the things that we feel like are very important. We talked about them in getting Mark last year. I was very comfortable if the competition went and it wound up Mark starting and Patrick sitting there behind him learning and getting ready to play that would be fine.

If it was the other way around I also would be very comfortable. Of course we all know what happened last year. I think the bottom line on this one was when you consider everything and we got down to 25, we felt like there would be some very good players there and there were and we did our homework and we didn’t think that Jason would go that far, we thought he was going to be gone early. When it got down to that pick we felt like it was hard to pass him up.”

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i was confused at first but after getting away from the tv for a while i was thinking about the campbell pick and this is what i've come up with. the skins needed to get a good backup qb. gibbs realizes that brunell is done, the skins will cut him next year. ramsey has been given the chance to become the qb of now and the imediate future, if he does then thats great but if he fails the skins need a backup plan. this is were campbell enters the picture. brunell is not the answer and neither is hasselback. gibbs obviously sees something special with campbell. campbell is tall, athletic, can scramble, a great student of the game, has a great work ethic and is a very accurate passer.

I pretty much went through the same thought process you did, wolfeskins, and came to the same conclusions. Initially, I was extremely disappointed with the Campbell pick, though I knew that was what they were going to do. It just didn't make sense to me at the time, what with the pressing need for talent and depth at defensive end and various other positions. I still have significant reservations about the pick, but I can take a little more comfort now that I think I understand the logic behind it.

To me, the Campbell pick really is more of an indictment of Brunell and Hasselbeck than it is a foreshadowing of Ramsey's imminent failure. I think Gibbs expects Ramsey to be successful over the next two years, he'll be tough to re-sign beyond 2006, and for cap purposes, Brunell will probably be cut in 2006. It makes sense to begin the grooming process now for the man who will take over if Ramsey leaves for greener pastures after 2006. They obviously see something special in Campbell.

I just hope they at least tried to trade down from that pick. It seems like Campbell could have been taken later. But who knows, maybe other teams had their eyes on Campbell, too. Seattle, Indy, Cleveland and Tampa all may have been waiting for him to fall to them in the late 1st or early 2nd round.

Who knows, but thinking about it that way will help me sleep better tonight.

[JWsleep]

I agree with this line of thought, wolfeskins and crisp--it explains the move best, I think. But the entire thing was badly handled. THey got very lucky Campbell was still on the board. If Aaron Rogers isn't there, GB may well have taken Campbell. You don't trade up several days before the draft, and then blatantly tip your hand.

If Ramsey isn't the guy, we need to get someone right now to groom. Brunnel's gone, and Hasselbeck doesn't have the tools. So there's some logic to it, I suppose. But it all stems from Gibbs error on Brunnell in the first place--forcing him now to get another QB and taking up a huge chunk of cap space. SO however you cut it, it's bad FO stuff. ANd that's on Gibbs.

And we spent a LOT of picks on this kid. And we undermine Ramsey. And we look like clowns. THe players read the papers too. It's tough to inspire confidence in this kind of atmosphere. And it's tough to change the "culture" at Redskins park if this is how the offseason goes.

We still need a DE, a TE, a stud WR, a MLB, etc. And we've got one more pick, or somehting like that. ANd few picks next year already. DOes this sound like a stable plan? Oh, yeah: given our cap situation, we can't buy the FAs either. And Arringtons pissed with a contract grievance. ANd Taylor is AOL. ANd we traded Coles for Moss because COles was unhappy, taking a 9mil caphit. ANd we still haven't re-signed Moss, who, no doubt, we'll overpay for.

Rant over. Ugh.

[offiss]

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

[JWsleep]

We needed a CB. BUt I agree about the Campbell thing. I was just trying to rationalize it so I can sleep.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by offiss

It seems a lot of guy's here think that this is not a win now pick that Gibbs is looking towards the future? Well why then did he give up the future and vastly overpay for a QB that's probably 3 years away from seeing the field? Why not wait till next year when the QB class will be much stronger? It's not like we need Campbell this season, if Ramsey goes down were screwed anyway, why didn't we go after a bonified franchise QB last season?

The bottom line here is this, we had the 30th ranked offense and choose not to upgrade it, we had the 3rd best defense and choose to upgrade that, are we the only team in the draft that doesn't draft for need?

Pretty much what I've been getting at. I am offended that Joe said they would upgrade the offense, when I knew they wouldn't because I knew the 2 guys they were gonna pick and that's exactly what they did. Ignore the need to upgrade an anemic offense and bolster a defense we couldn't keep together. QB doesn't make sense. We could have gotten one next year with our first round pick. Then we would have had a day one receiver. That seems like pretty good logic to me. I don't agree in taking out insurance well before it is needed in this case.

[joecrisp]

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

[monk81]

Not only were the Charges close to going to the Super Bowl last year, but they also have had a great draft this year too..........what's the old saying, "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer"........ Marty got the Redskins the closest to success at 8-8 ..............

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

we dont need a wr receiver, and we dontneed an olb. gibbs doesnt throw a his TE, he never has, they are blockers. Plus we have cooley. We filled our need at corner, and we have an insurance plan if ramsey doesnt improve. Gibbs didnt lie, im sure ramsey is our starter. Last time i checked just becuase you have a rookie qb it doesnt mean he starts. This also shows that gibbs isnt just trying to win now and then retire, hes doing what he feels is best for the team now and in the future.

Are you too young to remember Clint Diddier?

[ST21]

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