Gibb's press confrence.

[SmootSmack]

On our first drive Sunday, Gibbs' offense moved the ball about 73 yards only to have the drive stalled at the Dallas 3 on a Ramsey INT. Equal number of runs and short passes. The playcalling wasn't a problem there, it was execution

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Matty: I admitted on several occasions, just like I do now, that Spurrier had a brunt of the blame. 85% of the blame went on the coaching staff, just like this year. However, I didn't have much beef with Spurriers offense (you know, the part of the game he controled) as I did with Heston and Edwards. This year with Bugel and Williams there's little to complain about, both assistants are doing well and a majority of the problems come from the offensive play calling. Guess who does that? Last year you blamed Spurrier for all the problems, even though he left the defense alone. Imagine if Greg Williams regressed with our defense like Gibbs regressed with our offense. You'd be blaming Williams right now, not Gibbs. You simply are too loyal to admit any wrong doing.

I also would LOVE to see the board from last Feburary so I can see you ripping Spurrier for playcalling after putting up two TDs and a FG or two. Or maybe for throwing it into the endzone instead of running it up the gut 3 times for a FG.

So you had no problems with the protection schemes? Or the inconsistent playcalling like not sticking with the run when it was painfully obvious that was the way to go?? How about the way he lost control and the respect of the players in the locker room? Cell phones going off in practice, guys skipping practice? I guess that was just ok with you as long as he chucked it up for the endzone once in a while to average an oustanding 18 points per game.

How about that stellar coaching staff he put together, mostly filled with guys with no NFL experience? No problems there either?

I blamed Helton and Edwards PLENTY last year, problem was Spurrier's offense didn't do much to warrant much praise either.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about the way he lost control and the respect of the players in the locker room?

This is the main difference between Spurrier and Gibbs and this point. Each time I read Dasels rants on Gibbs, I really dont know how to respond to the play calling aquisitions, becasue like him, I wasent around for the first run, so I understand the hesitation to trust Gibbs. However, I think its obvious that Gibbs has a grasp on the players, a trust from the players and a general feeling that things are going to be turned around. Whereas I dont think Steve Spurrier had that, and thats why he stepped down.

I really dont know how to defend the playcalling as a whole , because I too think it has been fairly poor. Although I do agree with running the ball at the end of the game last week. However, I think a big thing to build on is that Gibbs is a leader for the team, which is somthing the head coach should be. I wouldnt mind if we had a new offensive mind added to the staff to try to give it a more modern feel, but I know Gibbs should stay here, and I'm glad hes going to be, and I think the players are as well.

[GoSkins!]

That's it. Gibbs is a leader where Spurrier is a clever offensive coach. Personally, I would love to have Spurrier back as the offensive coordinator. I think that his system would work with a good defense and a guy up top that demanded respect. Spurrier's short office hours, lack of involvement on defense, and unwillingness to take much of the blame for loses rubbed off on the less professional players and hurt the team. With Gibbs, that does not happen.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Offiss and I aren't calling for a resignation. However, I personally can't understand the blind faith and sticking up for his actions when 95% of all unbiased observers I've talked to agree that it is playcalling and not execution killing us. I think because you're in love with Gibbs it's clouding your vision. Every coach has 3 years in my book, that includes my boy Spurrier. He had one more year to take a decent run at the playoffs before I wanted someone new. I give the same courtesy to every coach, but that doesn't mean I have to stand by their every move till that three year grace period is up.

Daseal....Spurrier quit...he gave up dude. What does that tell you about "your boy" Spurrier.

[Daseal]

It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours. I still have the feeling he was pushed out by a returning Gibbs, but who knows.

Never once have I questioned the way Gibbs can lead players or have I questioned his work ethic. Those are easily his two strongest selling points. He's a great leader and he works hard. Two things Spurrier probably wasn't the best at. I agree totally the way he developed his staff was wrong. However, how many of you thought that promoting Edwards was a good idea? At the time, I did. I thought finally someone running the same system who has been around for a year. Just proved why Lewis was so valuable!

I love how a majority of the problems you can find with Spurrier are things that aren't even on the field. Criticize how he called a game, how bout? Thing is, Spurrier ran the game better than Gibbs has been. It's been absolutely pathetic. Spurrier certainly had kinks to work out, no doubt about that. However, if Spurrier had surrounded himself with a staff such as the one Gibbs had, does anyone here think we wouldn't be in a better position right now?

This is my last post on this topic. I'd just like to say that I feel Gibbs will eventually turn it around, but he needs to make some drastic changes. I don't buy that whole execution excuse everyone wants to give. It takes more than execution to win. You have to give your players a chance to execute and make yards. Everyone in the world blames Gibbs except for people who are still remembering the glory days.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours.

What in the world do you mean by this?

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

It tells me my boy may be smarter than yours. I still have the feeling he was pushed out by a returning Gibbs, but who knows.

if you think he was pushed out that means you don't think he quit..how does that make him smarter than gibbs. if he were smart he should have not quit and taken the remaining money on his contract. anyway, here's what i think gibbs will figure it out. the problem is both execution and playcalling, it's not one or the other. gibbs will bust his ass this offseason coming up with new and better plays because that is what joe gibbs does. he will also weed out the bad on this team so that should help with the execution somewhat.

i look at it this way...he is our best chance to get back to the playoffs...why not trust in him. we can't lose anymore than we already have...there's only one way to go and that's up.

[skinsguy]

Spurrier quit. Until someone can prove anything different, that is what happened. If that shows he is smarter than Gibbs, then I would really like to hear the explanation. Look, I can see the aprehension about Gibbs from the younger guys that weren't around to see Joe Gibbs 1.0. I understand that its hard to believe things that you couldn't see with your own eyes. I don't get this blind faith crap....after all, faith IS believing in things that are unseen. Kind of a redundant phrase, "blind faith." I think what is also comical are the comparisons of Joe Gibbs to some sort of messiah or prophet, and the accusations handed down to us who are pulling for Gibbs to succeed. These accusations that assume we think Gibbs is a messiah and to say anything negative about him is a sin. Well, it is true that Joe is a very devout Christian --- something I have always admired most about Gibbs. However, with my Christian upbringing, I know better than to put Gibbs on that much of a pedestal. However, I will give him respect and credit where it is due. Let's face it; Joe Gibbs IS the reason why most of us here are Redskins fans. Under his tenure as Head Coach, the Redskins have had their most successful days of the franchise. All of our Super bowl trophies come from Joe Gibbs coached teams. None of the coaches that followed were able to even come close to these accomplishments...and none of them had any of these accomplishments as head coach prior to taking the coaching job with the Redskins...although Norv Turner enjoyed these accomplishments as an offensive coordinator. But, after several seasons with the Skins, Turner couldn't produce a team that could come close to the elite status as any of Joe Gibbs' Super Bowl teams.

Yes, I'll admit Joe Gibbs has looked very bad as a head coach this year. He looked exactly like a coach that has been away from the game for about 12 years....oh wait! He HAS been away from the game for 12 years! Wow, imagine that! But remember, how hard do you think it must be to not only comeback to coaching in the NFL after being gone for 12 seasons, but to start over from scratch? Don't you think expecting Joe Gibbs to bring this team to glory after one season is a bit foolish? Didn't most of us expect this? Yep! Myself included! But, I see now it does take awhile to build a team....especially when every detailed is considered and especially when you want that team to be contenders season after season! But, lets face it.....Joe Gibbs gives us a much better chance at bring back the glory years than what Steve Spurrier could have done. That's not blind faith...that's just fact.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Spurrier quit. Until someone can prove anything different, that is what happened. If that shows he is smarter than Gibbs, then I would really like to hear the explanation. Look, I can see the aprehension about Gibbs from the younger guys that weren't around to see Joe Gibbs 1.0. I understand that its hard to believe things that you couldn't see with your own eyes. I don't get this blind faith crap....after all, faith IS believing in things that are unseen. Kind of a redundant phrase, "blind faith." I think what is also comical are the comparisons of Joe Gibbs to some sort of messiah or prophet, and the accusations handed down to us who are pulling for Gibbs to succeed. These accusations that assume we think Gibbs is a messiah and to say anything negative about him is a sin. Well, it is true that Joe is a very devout Christian --- something I have always admired most about Gibbs. However, with my Christian upbringing, I know better than to put Gibbs on that much of a pedestal. However, I will give him respect and credit where it is due. Let's face it; Joe Gibbs IS the reason why most of us here are Redskins fans. Under his tenure as Head Coach, the Redskins have had their most successful days of the franchise. All of our Super bowl trophies come from Joe Gibbs coached teams. None of the coaches that followed were able to even come close to these accomplishments...and none of them had any of these accomplishments as head coach prior to taking the coaching job with the Redskins...although Norv Turner enjoyed these accomplishments as an offensive coordinator. But, after several seasons with the Skins, Turner couldn't produce a team that could come close to the elite status as any of Joe Gibbs' Super Bowl teams.

Yes, I'll admit Joe Gibbs has looked very bad as a head coach this year. He looked exactly like a coach that has been away from the game for about 12 years....oh wait! He HAS been away from the game for 12 years! Wow, imagine that! But remember, how hard do you think it must be to not only comeback to coaching in the NFL after being gone for 12 seasons, but to start over from scratch? Don't you think expecting Joe Gibbs to bring this team to glory after one season is a bit foolish? Didn't most of us expect this? Yep! Myself included! But, I see now it does take awhile to build a team....especially when every detailed is considered and especially when you want that team to be contenders season after season! But, lets face it.....Joe Gibbs gives us a much better chance at bring back the glory years than what Steve Spurrier could have done. That's not blind faith...that's just fact.

Amen to that! Preach on brother skinsguy!

[Luxorreb]

Have faith in Gibbs.
We still are missing a back that can bang out short yards behind a good healthy offensive line. I'm not opposed to an older bigger back like Alstott. If we can find a young bruiser for cheap let's get him. But we do need a short yardage back. So many times we settled for a FGA instead of 7 pts.
Pieces of the puzzle will be worked well in the offseason. If anything don't exclude the possibility of Brunell being a SB MVP!
GO SKINS!

[JoeRedskin]

I am really interested to see what Gibbs is going to do in the off-season from a playcalling, offensive philosophy point of view. Given his past, I have no doubt that he can make changes. I have slowly come to the conclusion that the offense he ran in the 80's will not put up the same type of numbers in the 00's, even if well executed.

I am holding out hope that we will improve next year based mainly on the continuity of good player coaching. By this, I mean coaching that works hard to lead players and that players respect even if they disagree with the play-calling. Gibbs 2.2 will be a better TEAM than Spurrier 1.2. Whether they will play better is the question.

A lot of next year's improvement will depend on Gibbs adapting a more aggressive downfield approach while still "establishing the run". I remember Gibbs saying early on that he actually liked some of Spurrier's offense but the most important thing was to protect the QB. I am not sure what system you install with the players on hand that 1) establishing the run 2) aggressively attack downfield and 3) protecting the QB; I do believe that Gibbs will leave no stone unturned and adopt whatever strategy he thinks will work best regardless of his past theories.

Right now, I am sooooo depressed over the Skins. I just don't know if a) the O-Line can be improved in the offseason, even with the return of Jansen (Is he next year's messiah? I don't think so - but watch how many people here will count on his return turning the line around); b) can Ramsey be the QB we hope he is - will he ever see the entire field? c) Is it the play-calling, probably in part -Is it the execution, again probably in part.

All I know is - I once more have to live in Baltimore and face the ridicule of my co-workers as the Skins struggle, yet again, to a double digit losing season.

I hope Gibbs can turn it around but I am beginning to wonder how.

AAAAAAAAAAAArggghh. I hate loving the Skins.

[MTK]

nice post skinsguy

[monk81]

I just don't think we have all the parts Gibbs needs on offense to make it run the way he wants and the injury to Jansen really crippled us...........Give Gibbs a chance. The defensive side of the house has been playing great....we just need a few more tweaks on the offense.
After Gibbs left the first time what other coach has impressed other than Schottenheimer got us to a .500 record and that was THE BEST.....yet, players were complainign to Snyder about Marty.........so who ya going to get........some of the top knotch assistants who've become head coaches haven't fared so well this year either.....and even Parcells and the Cowboys have fallen.....Let's give Gibbs a little more time please..............

[sportscurmudgeon]

With all the conservative playcalling and all the bad offensive events last Sunday, the Skins led with less than two minutes to play. The defense was on the field and if anyone here thinks that is not the strength of the 2004 Washington Redskins, that person needs to takehis head out of his butt.

And they lost.

So, was that Gibbs' fault? Or Gregg Williams' fault?

NO, NO! NO!!!

The team was in a position to win; the defense had been called. The players BLEW THE COVERAGE!! (I'm being polite here because I've watched that play about 8 times and it was actually only 1 player who blew the coverage and lost the game!) The coaches did their job and did it well enough to win a poorly played game if the defense - and particularly one of the defense's icons - simply does what he is supposed to do. He didn't and they lost the game.

Go back to the Cleveland game. They had that game won and the defense was there and allowed a "length of the field drive" in the final minutes to lose the game. Gregg Williams didn't do that; the players on defense did that.

Go back to first Dallas game. Skins have the ball 1st and goal at the Dallas one-yard line. Three tries - two were power runs and one pass as I recall - and nothing good happened. Field goal gets 3 points. Dallas later had the ball first and goal at the Skins' one-yard line. First play is a TD and Dallas scores 7. Final difference in score was 3 points. Now who didn't get the ball into the end zone from the one-yard line? Gibbs? Bugel? Not a chance.

This team is 5-10 because it has players living on reputations and others trying to achieve their potential. The first players are not doing nearly as well as they used to do and the second players have not yet accomplished squadoosh. Of the 22 starters, about 10 fall in that category and that is a recipe for losing twice for each win.

It's the players that forged this record...