Competition Committee proposals: end play when ball carrier's helmet comes off & sudden death overtime

[tryfuhl]

we need to be keeping the Cowboys OUT of scoring position

PASS THE RULE!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

we need to be keeping the Cowboys OUT of scoring position

PASS THE RULE!

So if Cooley made a stud play like Witten did against Philly, you would still be fine with the refs blowing it dead???

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Here's another hypothetical:
Adrian Peterson rams helmets with a random FS, and he fumbles the football AND loses his helmet at the same time. What's a ref to do?

Do-over?

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

we need to be keeping the Cowboys OUT of scoring position

PASS THE RULE!

Yes, because losing helmets is part of the Cowboys normal game plan...they do it on every crucial play to distract the defense.

[hail_2_da_skins]

I'm for the overtime rule. It's innovative, gives both teams a fair opportunity to win. A high percentage of the time, the team that wins the coin flip, wins the overtime. A coin flip should not decide a game.

I'm against the helmet rule. The rules committee has gone too far to water down the sport. Football is a gladiator sport. There are too many rules that take away the physical aspect of football. If they want a no contact sport, then give the guys flags and lets play flag football. Deacon Jones is probably rolling over in his grave, you can't club a quarterback in the head. Jack Tatum cannot believe that you can no longer clothes line a guy or bump and run. What a pussy sport!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

I'm for the overtime rule. It's innovative, gives both teams a fair opportunity to win. A high percentage of the time, the team that wins the coin flip, wins the overtime. A coin flip should not decide a game.

I'm against the helmet rule. The rules committee has gone too far to water down the sport. Football is a gladiator sport. There are too many rules that take away the physical aspect of football. If they want a no contact sport, then give the guys flags and lets play flag football. Deacon Jones is probably rolling over in his grave, you can't club a quarterback in the head. Jack Tatum cannot believe that you can no longer clothes line a guy or bump and run. What a pussy sport!

Probably not since he's still alive.

Head slaps and clotheslines would get guys killed these days.

The sport is physical and dangerous enough as it is, for those saying that it's become watered down or sissifed, I would love to you see guys step on the field for even one play.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Probably not since he's still alive.

Head slaps and clotheslines would get guys killed these days.

The sport is physical and dangerous enough as it is, for those saying that it's become watered down or sissifed, I would love to you see guys step on the field for even one play.

Funny you mention that because just two days ago I was watching Redskin Nation with Larry Michael doing an interview with former Redskin Ted Vactor, and he spoke to the same issue.

Vactor said when Vince Lombardi was coach here he actually challenged a fan to take the field to demonstrate what he perceived to be his worth, it was in short order the fan soon realized that just some of the drills were more than a notion......which quickly prompted a change of heart.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

So if Cooley made a stud play like Witten did against Philly, you would still be fine with the refs blowing it dead???

whoosh

[Trample the Elderly]

I'm against people getting hit in the head, unless they're in the NFL.

I'm against people dying in automobile accidents unless it's in NASCAR.

I'm against people giving their bodies over to drugs and alcohol, unless they're musicians.

C'mon? Are you going to tell me that Charlie Daniels is good without booze, or that Lennon was better off without smack?

There's always somebody trying to be a mommy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Exhibit A on why I'm against the helmet rule:

YouTube - Witten Loses Helmet and still runs

The best you could find was a clip of a Dallas player making a play in a game they won. You should get banned for 3 days.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sissyfication of football...once upon a time football was played by men:

After watching that its does add the sissy factor to football. Not that I'd call a football player a sissy to his face but this is the internet.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Funny you mention that because just two days ago I was watching Redskin Nation with Larry Michael doing an interview with former Redskin Ted Vactor, and he spoke to the same issue.

Vactor said when Vince Lombardi was coach here he actually challenged a fan to take the field to demonstrate what he perceived to be his worth, it was in short order the fan soon realized that just some of the drills were more than a notion......which quickly prompted a change of heart.

I hadn't heard that name in a long time. Thanks. It brings back ancient happy memories.

[hooskins]

I think I am in the minority but I like both rules....

[MTK]

Getting hit in the head is part of the game for boxing, but not football. Sure it happens but it's incidental. More should be done to prevent it from happening.

[saden1]

WSJ had a great piece on head injuries last year.

The problem is that there's nothing any helmet could do to stop the brain from taking lots of small hits. To become certified for sale, a football helmet has to earn a "severity index" score of 1200, according to testing done by the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment, or Nocsae. Dr. Robert Cantu, a Nocsae board member and chief of neurosurgery at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass., says that to prevent concussions, helmets would have to have a severity index of 300—about four times better than the standard. "The only way to make that happen, Dr. Cantu says, "is to make the helmet much bigger and the padding much bigger."

The problem with that approach, he says—other than making players look like Marvin the Martian—is that heavier helmets would be more likely to cause neck injuries.

One of the strongest arguments for banning helmets comes from the Australian Football League. While it's a similarly rough game, the AFL never added any of the body armor Americans wear. When comparing AFL research studies and official NFL injury reports, AFL players appear to get hurt more often on the whole with things like shoulder injuries and tweaked knees. But when it comes to head injuries, the helmeted NFL players are about 25% more likely to sustain one.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I hadn't heard that name in a long time. Thanks. It brings back ancient happy memories.

This is off - topic but......Here's another interesting tid-bit from Vactors conversation with Michael.

Those who remember Ted Vactor know him as being one of our great special team players of the past. He spoke about how he would like to see the now Redskins do some of the things on special teams they did back in the day when George Allen was coach.

Allen believed the team would win at least two games every season by blocking kicks, a specialty he excelled in. He, along with Bill Malinchak were the best on the team at it, and Allen would always give them the green light. It gave the opposition one more thing to have to prepare for, plus it helped the return game of Mike Nelms and Herb Mul-Key because teams were so concerned about the block their protections had to be max which curtailed their down field release.

He considers the art of kick-blocking lost on the team today, but something we could see practiced again now that Bruce Allen is aboard and it was a staple of his Father's coaching.