Dominic Rhodes to Oakland Raiders

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You think Brady Quinn is superior over Russell? Really???? Not sure if you saw any LSU games or not but I don't think there is a QB in this draft that comes close to this guy's ability. He makes throws that very few guys can maake on the NFL level neverless the college level. His weight concerns me but that's about it.

I'm guessing you probably haven't seen much Quinn.

I don't know what "ability" you are talking about though. Does Russell have all the physical tools? No one is questioning his unbelieveable arm strength, but does that give him an advantage over Quinn? I'm not sure an ability to throw the ball 75+ yards will ever have practical purpose in an NFL game considering it would take receviers 8-10 seconds to run that far.

Russell throws exceptionally well on the run, but he lacks general mobility. In the NFL, he's going to have to be a prototypical pocket passer.

Playing QB is all about the mind (assuming that the QB doesnt have a damning physical limitation). Players with crappy physical skills are among the greatest QBs ever (think Marino). Based on his college production, Russell's mind for the game exceeds the level of nearly all draft-eligible quarterbacks. But does anyone think he understands the position better than Quinn? That's crazy talk.

The only physical limitation between the QBs is probably Russell's mobility. They are both great prospects, but I have no reason to assume Russell will be better.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm guessing you probably haven't seen much Quinn.

I don't know what "ability" you are talking about though. Does Russell have all the physical tools? No one is questioning his unbelieveable arm strength, but does that give him an advantage over Quinn? I'm not sure an ability to throw the ball 75+ yards will ever have practical purpose in an NFL game considering it would take receviers 8-10 seconds to run that far.

Russell throws exceptionally well on the run, but he lacks general mobility. In the NFL, he's going to have to be a prototypical pocket passer.

Playing QB is all about the mind (assuming that the QB doesnt have a damning physical limitation). Players with crappy physical skills are among the greatest QBs ever (think Marino). Based on his college production, Russell's mind for the game exceeds the level of nearly all draft-eligible quarterbacks. But does anyone think he understands the position better than Quinn? That's crazy talk.

The only physical limitation between the QBs is probably Russell's mobility. They are both great prospects, but I have no reason to assume Russell will be better.

I watch alot of college ball. I saw Brady Quinn every week for two years. He's not the most accurate guy around. I honestly think Quinn get's a lot of hype cause he's from ND. Don't get me wrong, he's really good. He benefits from a passing offense. But I don't think he's any better than Troy Smith, Chris Leak or Kevin Kolb. Smith had just as good a year if not better. He got better once Weiss came to South Bend. I would say Quinn has had the better coaching of anyone. But Russell is just a freak. Quicker release, better arm, more accurate. Plus he's very mobile for his size. He just has not had Quinn's coaching. When he get's to Oak, and if Sarkeshain can work on his footwork, and if the Raiders can straighten out Moss and Porter, look out. Of course that's a lot of if's.

And Marino had great physical skills. Great feet, cannon arm and the best release of all time. That's almost all you need to play QB.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I watch alot of college ball. I saw Brady Quinn every week for two years. He's not the most accurate guy around. I honestly think Quinn get's a lot of hype cause he's from ND. Don't get me wrong, he's really good. He benefits from a passing offense. But I don't think he's any better than Troy Smith, Chris Leak or Kevin Kolb. Smith had just as good a year if not better. He got better once Weiss came to South Bend. I would say Quinn has had the better coaching of anyone. But Russell is just a freak. Quicker release, better arm, more accurate. Plus he's very mobile for his size. He just has not had Quinn's coaching. When he get's to Oak, and if Sarkeshain can work on his footwork, and if the Raiders can straighten out Moss and Porter, look out. Of course that's a lot of if's.

And Marino had great physical skills. Great feet, cannon arm and the best release of all time. That's almost all you need to play QB.

he's better than chris leak? on what planet?

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he's not any better than chris leak? on what planet?

So what are you saying?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Crat92

So what are you saying?

oops, my bad. meant to imply chris leak really sucks (remove the not any).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oops, my bad. meant to imply chris leak really sucks (remove the not any).

How can a QB start at Florida for four years, play in two different offenses, play in the toughest conference in college, win a national champ. and suck? C'mon. That's just ridicules. You must have went to Tennessee.

[Smurf85]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't get what the Colts are thinking. How do you let this guy walk?

They let James go last year and he's a better back.Yet they still won a super bowl.This is the Colts they can throw any RB in there.Thats what happens when you have Peyton Manning.

[Crat92]

I think Rhodes is and always has been a good RB. I hope the Raiders can fix their O-line woes. If they do, DR could have a break out year!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How can a QB start at Florida for four years, play in two different offenses, play in the toughest conference in college, win a national champ. and suck? C'mon. That's just ridicules. You must have went to Tennessee.

his own fans didn't like him till he won. he's just not very good, and that's why he's rated as a 2nd day pick. If you don't like that, i'm sorry, but that's reality. You must have gone to florida.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

his own fans didn't like him till he won. he's just not very good, and that's why he's rated as a 2nd day pick. If you don't like that, i'm sorry, but that's reality. You must have gone to florida.

His own fans don't like him cause they have no clue. All the guy did was win. There are PLENTY of good QB's that have been 2nd day picks. If he was 6'4 he would be a 1st day pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I watch alot of college ball. I saw Brady Quinn every week for two years. He's not the most accurate guy around. I honestly think Quinn get's a lot of hype cause he's from ND. Don't get me wrong, he's really good. He benefits from a passing offense. But I don't think he's any better than Troy Smith, Chris Leak or Kevin Kolb. Smith had just as good a year if not better. He got better once Weiss came to South Bend. I would say Quinn has had the better coaching of anyone. But Russell is just a freak. Quicker release, better arm, more accurate. Plus he's very mobile for his size. He just has not had Quinn's coaching. When he get's to Oak, and if Sarkeshain can work on his footwork, and if the Raiders can straighten out Moss and Porter, look out. Of course that's a lot of if's.

And Marino had great physical skills. Great feet, cannon arm and the best release of all time. That's almost all you need to play QB.

I think you are taking too lightly the differences between a great college QB and a great NFL prospect. Troy Smith had a better year, obviously, and while I don't think that Leak was/is nearly as good as Quinn and that there is no was to project Kolb's numbers to major D-I competition, it's not an undefendable stance to say that they were better college QBs than Quinn.

In college, athleticism goes a long way. The last year he played at Va. Tech, Vick was probably the best QB in the nation. At the next level, the value of athleticism in a QB is cut down significantly. This is why guys like Quinn and Russell project better than Smith or Leak. That's not to say Leak or Smith can't play from the pocket, because they obviously can, but they are clearly inferrior to Russell and Quinn. It's also not to say that athleticism is worthless at the NFL level (see: Young, Vince) because it can be another weapon in a guys game, but it's not going to make a poor passer by NFL standards a good QB (see: Vick, Michael).

Don't overestimate the effect of Weis on the ND offense. He's a pretty good playcaller, and he's got a good system, but he's human. He made a bunch of mistakes in playcalling last year. He overestimated the talent of his offensive line and left Quinn unprotected too many times. Quinn's statistical surge as a junior, which most people just see and attribute to Weis, was probabaly going to happen to a fairly similar degree no matter who the coach was. Weis most likely walked into a great offensive situation. Where Weis is better than the average coach is in his aggression. He goes for it on fourth very often and gives his team the best chance to score points. But when they don't get it, I'm sure his defense loves him...

Getting back to Russell v. Quinn, we can debate Physical ability all day long, but when it comes to projecting the best NFL QB, physical skills are going to be nearly moot. They both have the arm to make all the throws, and they are both athletic in their own right. What's going to seperate them at the next level is their ability to make quick, accurate reads, their pocket presence, and their ability to manage the game. I don't expect JaMarcus Russell to struggle with any of the above necessarily, I just EXPECT Quinn to excel.

And periodically, Quinn makes an inexcusably inaccurate throw. But given his 60% completion percentage, I feel this is a very excusable flaw in this game. Russell's 67% as a junior is incredibly impressive and projects great things to come for the guy, but he's only started about 30 games compared to Quinn's 45. Both matured massively as juniors, and the fact that Russell came out instead of staying one more year to prove that he's truely deserving of the No. 1 pick (that his ridiculous 67% was no fluke) gives a big expierence advantage to Quinn.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

His own fans don't like him cause they have no clue. All the guy did was win. There are PLENTY of good QB's that have been 2nd day picks. If he was 6'4 he would be a 1st day pick.

Craig Krenzel and Ken Dorsey are names who by all accounts would be on any list of consumate college "winners".

Canton may not want to make the busts of those guys just yet.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

the fact that Russell came out instead of staying one more year to prove that he's truely deserving of the No. 1 pick (that his ridiculous 67% was no fluke) gives a big expierence advantage to Quinn.

Of course, from Russell's point of view, if the Raiders take him 1 overall and give him the big bucks, then he made a really good decision to come out.

[4mrusmc]

Personally I don't care. All I want is our team to get better in all areas of concern like: Defensive line namely an end who can just create mad havoc like D. Manley. Have stud in the middle of that line who can stay on the field week in and week out. Have linebackers that can come up and tackle big running backs before they rush for 50 yards on one carry. Also, stop playing our linebackers so much in pass defense. Have f-ing C. Rogers play up on his man and take him off his route before he gets going. Have Al Saunders payoff with big dividends with his alleged offensively supperior mind.
Just saying.........

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oops, my bad. meant to imply chris leak really sucks (remove the not any).

on what planet cause really he is the most accurate passer in this draft he is the best pure pocket passer in the draft just doesnt have the arm and his height is a huge concern