Bearish Season Prediction

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Rogers has been a major disappointment. We drafted him 9th overall didn't we? He should be handling #1 WRs right now, if not completely shutting them down.

This comment goes back to my original statement about Champ Bailey. Redskins fans were spoiled for several seasons while Champ was shutting down receivers week in and week out. Now we expect every corner out of the draft to perform at that level, but the fact is, very few corners before Champ, and none drafted since are as good as he is. Jammer, Newman, Pacman, etc. were all supposed to be the next shutdown corner, but they all get torched from time to time. Even Champ gets beat badly every now and then.

Rogers should be judged against his peers and not his predecessors, and against his peers, he's about equal.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

re: for point

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

My point was EVEN with Bledsoe (now benched) and the TO injury, WE still got manhandled. only close due to Rock's runback. what has changed, beside's the cowboy's new QB who wasn't flustered by Carolina's much better D?
We played terrible but take away our INT thrown to Roy Williams on the 1 yard line which resulted in a 99 yard TD drive for Dallas and we have a 3 point ballgame with us playing like crap and the 'Boys manhandling us. Just think if we played average instead of terrible. The same goes for the Vikings game and the Giants game.


The bucs are ok. we have a shot...they did just beat philly. (who by the way you just claimed lost to 3 "Good teams".
I didn't say they lost to "good teams". I said they lost 3 games. If we're arguing then we need to make sure we don't put words in the other's mouth/post.

Weren't the Redskins 2-2? that aside, we frequently have troubles with mcnabb and westbrook. like the giants and dallas, its likely they find their form against the skins...
Just as likely we'll find our form against them.

If you are holding on to the spoiler role, i think you are grasping for air...i mean they thoroughly owned us.
okay


Miami was considered a superbowl darkhorse, does that mean they should beat chicago this week? There is something to be said for reality, and the reality is, Saints have played well, and the skins haven't.
Should beat them? no. could beat them? After watching the Arizona/Chicago game then sure Chicago could lose to Miami. The Saints have played well but the stars don't stay aligned forever.


Again, reality is key. Rams DO score, while the Skins can score, only in theory. how many points are we averaging?
St Louis is averaging 23 pts/game. We're averaging 20 pts/game.

[Alvin#40]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

i do...i love springs, despite his being injury prone, but Rogers is not up to speed yet. He's been consistently burned by WRs no matter who he's been matched up against. while he's seen higher caliber WRs this year, having filled in for Springs, he's been burned badly...i don't think many would consider Williamson from the Vikings or anyone on the titans to be considered legit No. 1 guys. If plexico is covered, toomer will score. if TO is covered Glenn will score. if Stallwort is covered, brown will score. if steve smith then k johnson.

Don't you have anything better to do then come up with crap like this thread?
For God's sake man, IT"S DALLAS WEEK!!!!
Don't be such a DOWNER!~

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm not going to blame Carlos for the cushion he gives. Once Springs comes back and all is right in the defensive universe, then we'll see how he fares. The cushion he gives has to be due to GW telling him to give it because he doesn't trust Archuleta to make the tackle.

I wish our defensive problems were as simple as Springs being out, but we will continued to get beat by the pass if our LBs don't start making plays in the intermediate passing game. Against Indy, Shawn did knock away a pass, and seriously I can't remember any other time when we made a play on the ball. We don't get pressure on the QB nearly as consitently as we need to on third down. In fact, we are just flat out horrid on third down. We always seem to have the worst possible defense called, and execute it as poorly as possible.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'd agree that our LBs aren't looking great in coverage. While I WILL defend Holdman's run stopping performance, I would think Rocky would fare much better in coverage.

Is it just me or is Dallas's line nowhere NEAR as much of a concern for them as we all thought it would be?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think a lot of that comes from GW too. He doesn't count on his front four a whole lot to apply pressure, hence the reason he calls all these exotic blitz packages.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think a lot of that comes from GW too. He doesn't count on his front four a whole lot to apply pressure, hence the reason he calls all these exotic blitz packages.

Also Blache, who has in the past said that the "sack" is an overrated stat. It's about disruption, in his opinion

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'll take the sack please.

[BrunellMVP?]

On Dallas:
We played terrible but take away our INT thrown to Roy Williams on the 1 yard line which resulted in a 99 yard TD drive for Dallas and we have a 3 point ballgame with us playing like crap and the 'Boys manhandling us. Just think if we played average instead of terrible. The same goes for the Vikings game and the Giants game.
if you take away the INT, and give us a TD (eliminating their 99 yard drive, then you should probably take away Rock's long run...same senario. I guess my point is, I'm worried that the way they did play against vikes, dallas and giants WAS average. I don't think you can discount the domination that occurred against the 'boys and g-men.

On the bucs:
I didn't say they lost to "good teams". I said they lost 3 games. If we're arguing then we need to make sure we don't put words in the other's mouth/post.

semantics, but you stated that they beat three crappy teams and then lost to three "real teams". The implication is that, phili won because of an advantageous early schedule and as they played better teams....so while you are correct you never used the word "good" you did use the word "real".

On finding our form:
Weren't the Redskins 2-2? that aside, we frequently have troubles with mcnabb and westbrook. like the giants and dallas, its likely they find their form against the skins...
Just as likely we'll find our form against them.
My point was EVEN with Bledsoe (now benched) and the TO injury, WE still got manhandled. only close due to Rock's runback. what has changed, beside's the cowboy's new QB who wasn't flustered by Carolina's much better D?
We played terrible but take away our INT thrown to Roy Williams on the 1 yard line which resulted in a 99 yard TD drive for Dallas and we have a 3 point ballgame with us playing like crap and the 'Boys manhandling us. Just think if we played average instead of terrible. The same goes for the Vikings game and the Giants game.


The bucs are ok. we have a shot...they did just beat philly. (who by the way you just claimed lost to 3 "Good teams".
I didn't say they lost to "good teams". I said they lost 3 games. If we're arguing then we need to make sure we don't put words in the other's mouth/post.

Weren't the Redskins 2-2? that aside, we frequently have troubles with mcnabb and westbrook. like the giants and dallas, its likely they find their form against the skins...
Just as likely we'll find our form against them.
fair enough. lets hope...

on scoring:
St Louis is averaging 23 pts/game. We're averaging 20 pts/game
closer than i thought (as are the stats), i would say, that 3 pts is not insignificant in the NFL...add three and change, and we beat minn and tenn.

[The Zimmermans]

St. Louis would destroy us right now, imagine tryin to stop bulger with our D-line and Secondary, he's only thrown 1 pic!!! We would at least be able to run the ball against them, but that has proven not enough since we fall behind so often.

[hesscl34]

I wish i were kidding, but i think we are looking at 4-12 or 5-11...

hopefully Portis will dominate, and some of these predictions wont come true...fact is, the MOST we'll ever get out of brunell is 2 td and 225 (which is a large step up from current production)- and he cant do that week in, week out.[/quote]

Good greif. Can't get more depressing than that. Our Secondary is back now, in full force, so I'm not sure I agree completley with this. We have Lloyd and Randal El to pick up slack for Moss, and Betts is a GREAT running back if Portis isn't well. We had the bye and have been able to rest and get heads screwed on straight. Untill the Dallas game is over, I'm not going to predict a damn thing. If they come out and have game on this Sunday, I think it's a whole new team and I'll believe again that we have a shot at the playoffs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

on scoring:
St Louis is averaging 23 pts/game. We're averaging 20 pts/game
closer than i thought (as are the stats), i would say, that 3 pts is not insignificant in the NFL...add three and change, and we beat minn and tenn.

No certainly not insignificant. St. Louis is one of those teams who I would argue will be better on offense come the years end then us. But compare us to most teams, and I bet we come up favorably.

[BDBohnzie]

my 2 cents, take it or leave it...

there have been some good points brought up on both sides of the argument, and with 9 games left, 7-2 may not be enough for the playoffs.

However, I think you'll see a vastly improved defense with Springs back, and Wright/Rumph relegated back to 3 and 4 corners, and that depends on where Troy Vincent is on the field. And with Vincent on the field, you are going to see Archuleta and Taylor be able to play more of their games. While the LBs and DLine have been shaky at best, I can see improved play, especially if the injury bug finally leaves the DLine alone.

Offensively, the whole Brunell/Campbell argument is mute, as Brunell gives us the best chance to win now. If there is no Moss, that means Lloyd, ARE and Patten step up, and perhaps Brunell will stop zeroing in on Moss constantly once he returns.

Looking at the last 9 games, while 7-2, 8-1 and 9-0 are a pipe dream, they are feasible. I wouldn't dub it impossible, but impractical is more along the lines of thinking.

With Dallas, the odds of 2 road wins in a row are quite rare, so that is a plus going into Sunday.

Philly, coming off the bye, will be tough to beat at home. Especially if a 100% healthy Stallworth takes the field.

Tampa is a 2 headed monster, as they've won their last 2 at home...however, they come off a short week against division rival Carolina.

Home against Carolina, Atlanta and Philly will really be a test of might. If we can scrap 2 wins here, consider us lucky.

2 weeks on the road will most likely lead to 1 loss. I'm gonna say lose to Saints, beat Rams, as their defense much weaker than New Orleans.

Which leads us to the G-Men on New Years weekend. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say the G-Men will be gearing up for the playoffs, and won't want to lose any starters.

I'd love to see 9-0, but would be quite comfy with 5-4, as it would show improvement over the first 7 games, and lead us into 2007. While no playoffs would be a great disappointment, a .500+ records in the 2nd half would give hope to a vastly improved 2007, when we will see Campbell start.

[CanadianSkin]

I would like to add, that i have seen the Redskins play once in my life and that was a victory against the Seahawks a few years back. So the Skins are 1-0 when I am in the Stadium, and I am coming to the Falcons game, so my streak will continue and so that is at least one more win.

Buy the way I am looking for lower bowl tickets first or second teir on stubhub. Any tickets I should avoid, some say restricitve veiwing etc... A little help

Also I will be starting a thread closer to the date to find out where I can tailgate with any of you. Do I need a tailgating pass to join the party or is that something seperate?

[Alvin#40]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I wish i were kidding, but i think we are looking at 4-12 or 5-11...

hopefully Portis will dominate, and some of these predictions wont come true...fact is, the MOST we'll ever get out of brunell is 2 td and 225 (which is a large step up from current production)- and he cant do that week in, week out.

Good greif. Can't get more depressing than that. Our Secondary is back now, in full force, so I'm not sure I agree completley with this. We have Lloyd and Randal El to pick up slack for Moss, and Betts is a GREAT running back if Portis isn't well. We had the bye and have been able to rest and get heads screwed on straight. Untill the Dallas game is over, I'm not going to predict a damn thing. If they come out and have game on this Sunday, I think it's a whole new team and I'll believe again that we have a shot at the playoffs.[/quote]
You tell em hess!!!
I'm just as tired of this crap as you are. We will talk about the greatest Redskin season ever, and they will remember how they gave up, and shit on them when they were 2-5.