Theismann made a great point during MNF.

The Zimmermans · 11-01-2006, 10:43 AM

i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.

offiss · 11-01-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.

I have to say Zim I am liking you more and more all the time!

offiss · 11-01-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Signing Mark Brunell isn't like signing a Brett Farve or a Joe Montana, but to assume it was a "horrid" signing is blowing things well out of proportion. Mark hasn't been a bad QB. He hasn't been the playmaker we have all wanted, but he has played smart football overall. You always want to have a good veteran QB playing on the field in front of your younger QBs. When Campbell finally makes his debut, he will be a much better QB because of it.

Well all I can say is if the first pass he throws goes sailing out of bounds someone's gettin hurt!

SmootSmack · 11-01-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.

Ramsey can't even beat out Clemens for the backup QB job with the Jets. He shouldn't even be in any discussion anymore

The Zimmermans · 11-01-2006, 11:13 AM

he's still better than brunell haha, or was at one point, but now his confidence is so shot. He had a better record than brunell with the skins at the time until he got benched after that injury.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2006, 11:42 AM

Ok sure. I don't want to get into another Ramsey debate. Moving on

The Zimmermans · 11-01-2006, 11:48 AM

Another point, Brunell is soooooooo boring to watch, he doesnt ever make impressive plays. A guy that throws down field is more exciting, if we arent gonna win, i would at least like to have a couple things to cheer about each game, like a pass over 20 yeards, or an impressive QB scramble. It's the little things that make me happy on Sunday. We got nothing in the last couple weeks.

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Brady uses the entire field, and his whole complement of receivers, backs and TEs. he had thrown to seven different guys in the first half. that alone makes our offense vastly different. whether in execution or philosophy.

Brunell frequently hits 6 recievers in the first half too. I'm not sure what the criteria is for using the entire field (how you know he is other than observation), but I'm guessing Brady does it better because he is a top 3 QB in this league.

I don't think there is any debate between Brady and Brunell, but how does that make our offensive styles 'vastly different'?

The Zimmermans · 11-01-2006, 11:59 AM

we do run similar offenses, but brady makes the offense so much more effective with his deceptiveness, audibles, defensive reads, pocket mobility, quick release, and precise accuracy, all things we are lacking in our qb. With the saunders offense it is very important to hit receivers in stride enabling them to have productive YAC. By the time the skins receivers get the ball, it is too late and the defender is on them.

skinsfan69 · 11-01-2006, 12:01 PM

Malcom.... Execution means when teams line up 8 defenders around the line of scrimmage you don't continue to try and run the frickin ball! You call a frickin pass play over 5 yards and throw it! Troy Aikman made this point last week after Saunders called that played out screen pass with everyone lurking around the line. You have to call plays that back guys off of the line so you can run the ball. And I don't care if we have T. Brady or not. A frinkin NFL QB should be able to throw it 15-25 yards down the field! Watch the game very closely when the Skins are on offense this week. Watch how Dallas will crowd the line and dare the Skins to throw it.

hesscl34 · 11-01-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Anyone watch the Pats last night? Joe T. made a great point. He said the Pats offense doesn't care about balance. They care about production and points. Plus I don't think I saw one false start or any penalties on the Pats 0-line on the road with crowd noise. Unlike the Skins line they are so disiplined. Brady is pointing out blitzers and they execute. Plus who are the WR's? Gabriel, Caldwell, Jackson and T. Brown? Give me a break! I know the TE is a stud but please. Why is it that the Skins always say that they must run to win? You bring in two new WR's w/ S. Moss and Cooley and you want to be a running team? Has anyone told Gibbs for the most part it's a passing league now???? How about you attack the weakness of your opponent? Does the Skins offense ever do this? We saw it with Indy. They didn't even bother messing around with Bailey. They just killed the other corner. Does the Skins offense ever attack? It always seems they come out and try and ram it down everyone's throat. Sometimes it's just painful to watch. Not smart offense in today's NFL! Just my .02.

Running is Redskins football. Always has been...

redsk1 · 11-01-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

No, what I am saying is he wants to do it his way and that is with Brunell.

Lets face it he was the only one in the NFL who wanted the guy at least as a starter, and he was the only one who was going to give anything up to get him, let alone 43 mil and a 3rd round pick, so in the eye's of every personel man out there he looks like a baffone, thier all saying I told you so, and he's trying to prove them wrong, which comes down to his inability to admit he royally screwed up with the Brunell signing.

Take a good look at Brunell can anyone say with a straight face he was a good signing? Let alone a horid signing?

If Brunell was playing for the Boy's the last 3 years we would still be laughing at how dumb they are, but because it's us and a Gibbs move, that makes it all right.

The guy is a joke at QB, how many Skins games does Aikmen have to cover do we have to hear him breakdown the QB play and question the decision making of Brunell along with his inability of arm strength to hit a reciever downfield, yes Brunell can throw the ball deep but he has to winde up and put a lot of air under it he cannot snap off a throw and get the ball 40 yards downfield. But until Brunell is removed from the equation everyone will continue to believe that there is no way Gibbs could be wrong, or stubborn, or human.

I really hate to bash MB too much, b/c he used to be a great qb and he's a great person, but...

The way i look at it is, who would you rather have as your qb in the nfc? Or who would MB beat out as qb in the nfc?

I think i would rather have MB than Alex Smith, Leinart (sp?), and, um that might be about it. Am i leaving anyone off? Kitna or MB?? Point is, its there are not alot of qb's worse than mb right now (throw out statistics).

hooskins · 11-01-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.

Right and you thought Brunell wasn't the guy when we made that run last year? This is a weak arguement that alot of people are making.

It is kinda like all the people who are bitching at Al Saunders, but they were the same people that were complaining about Gibbs and our offense in the playoffs. These are the same people who thought AA was gonna be great, and are now swearing that they loved Clark. Bull, I am currently working on a thread I have decidated to this, look at the Locker Room on Friday.

The Zimmermans · 11-01-2006, 12:15 PM

i've never thought brunell was the guy at any moment at any point in time.....quote me on that. Brunell is the reason we couldnt make a superbowl run last year, that is all.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i've never thought brunell was the guy at any moment at any point in time.....quote me on that. Brunell is the reason we couldnt make a superbowl run last year, that is all.

It would have made sense to quote you on that had you said it in 2004 when we signed him. Or had we heard you say it.

11-01-2006, 10:43 AM	#31
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-01-2006, 11:13 AM	#35
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. he's still better than brunell haha, or was at one point, but now his confidence is so shot. He had a better record than brunell with the skins at the time until he got benched after that injury. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-01-2006, 11:42 AM	#36
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Ok sure. I don't want to get into another Ramsey debate. Moving on __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2006, 11:48 AM	#37
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Another point, Brunell is soooooooo boring to watch, he doesnt ever make impressive plays. A guy that throws down field is more exciting, if we arent gonna win, i would at least like to have a couple things to cheer about each game, like a pass over 20 yeards, or an impressive QB scramble. It's the little things that make me happy on Sunday. We got nothing in the last couple weeks. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-01-2006, 11:59 AM	#39
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. we do run similar offenses, but brady makes the offense so much more effective with his deceptiveness, audibles, defensive reads, pocket mobility, quick release, and precise accuracy, all things we are lacking in our qb. With the saunders offense it is very important to hit receivers in stride enabling them to have productive YAC. By the time the skins receivers get the ball, it is too late and the defender is on them. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-01-2006, 12:01 PM	#40
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Malcom.... Execution means when teams line up 8 defenders around the line of scrimmage you don't continue to try and run the frickin ball! You call a frickin pass play over 5 yards and throw it! Troy Aikman made this point last week after Saunders called that played out screen pass with everyone lurking around the line. You have to call plays that back guys off of the line so you can run the ball. And I don't care if we have T. Brady or not. A frinkin NFL QB should be able to throw it 15-25 yards down the field! Watch the game very closely when the Skins are on offense this week. Watch how Dallas will crowd the line and dare the Skins to throw it.

11-01-2006, 12:15 PM	#44
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. i've never thought brunell was the guy at any moment at any point in time.....quote me on that. Brunell is the reason we couldnt make a superbowl run last year, that is all. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

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