Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I know of at least one person who has Weeden rated above RG3 as a player. I am not that person.

I do not have him rated over and or above RGIII either. I just see several waisted picks that could be used to help build up our offense between QB, WR, and OL. No need to throw away 3 picks this year and our #1 next year for one player no matter if it's a QB, WR, or OL.

I thought I read some where years ago that coaches care more about QB's technique to see how much they have to change, ball placement/accuracy, and volocity and tight spiral. All the other stuff is fluff the media and fan base love to look at.

RGIII is an excellent prospect and would live him if he fell to us or if we only had to move up 1or 2 spots in which it wouldn't cost us an arm and a leg to do it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I do not have him rated over and or above RGIII either. I just see several waisted picks that could be used to help build up our offense between QB, WR, and OL. No need to throw away 3 picks this year and our #1 next year for one player no matter if it's a QB, WR, or OL.

I thought I read some where years ago that coaches care more about QB's technique to see how much they have to change, ball placement/accuracy, and volocity and tight spiral. All the other stuff is fluff the media and fan base love to look at.

RGIII is an excellent prospect and would live him if he fell to us or if we only had to move up 1or 2 spots in which it wouldn't cost us an arm and a leg to do it.

QB: RG3
WR: Colston, VJax, or S. Johnson
OL: Grubbs

I think the advantage this year, over other years is that we can trade up for a player and use our cap space on a fairly young (late 20s) FA class.

Also, I doubt Bruce Allen would trade up if the price goes out of control (given how he's been fiscally responsible in the past two offseasons).

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

QB: RG3
WR: Colston, VJax, or S. Johnson
OL: Grubbs

I think the advantage this year, over other years is that we can trade up for a player and use our cap space on a fairly young (late 20s) FA class.

Also, I doubt Bruce Allen would trade up if the price goes out of control (given how he's been fiscally responsible in the past two offseasons).

I understand however I would rather see

QB- Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins
WR- draft
OL- draft

Along with FA
QB- Flynn or PM
WR- your pick but x2
OL- whoever we can entice. Maybe x2

His gives us a lot more talent and players to work with vs. just having 1 pick in 3 rounds and a couple WR's and an OL.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I understand however I would rather see

QB- Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins
WR- draft
OL- draft

Along with FA
QB- Flynn or PM
WR- your pick but x2
OL- whoever we can entice. Maybe x2

His gives us a lot more talent and players to work with vs. just having 1 pick in 3 rounds and a couple WR's and an OL.

Given the wasted two years of the McNabb/Rex/Beck fiasco, I don't think MS can afford to gamble on these QBs as the 2012 starters.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I understand however I would rather see

QB- Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins
WR- draft
OL- draft

Along with FA
QB- Flynn or PM
WR- your pick but x2
OL- whoever we can entice. Maybe x2

His gives us a lot more talent and players to work with vs. just having 1 pick in 3 rounds and a couple WR's and an OL.

Are you saying you want those 3 QBs, or one of them in that order of preference?

[Dirtbag59]

Also I know people are running rampant with the whole 2012 1st, 2nd, and 3rd-2013 1st and 3rd price so lets put an end to that right now.

2012 NFL draft -- St. Louis Rams decide to trade No. 2 overall pick, sources say - ESPN

The Rams are seeking a deal similar to what the San Diego Chargers got for the rights to 2004 top overall pick Eli Manning, sources said Monday.

The Eli Manning standard still applies. Two first, a third and a veteran. That would probably translate to a second tier QB, a defensive starter, and a possible starting Guard or Linebacker? Totally worth it to pass on the chance to take an elite QB prospect.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The best part about the NFL you really don't need to spend all this draft picks and you really don't need those types of QB's to get to and or win the SB. Curt Warner was no Luck, RGIII, or Cam Newton. Eli is a slow runner and Big Ben can't run to save his life. Drew Breese is borderline he sucked in San Diego which is why they got rid of him. And then ther is Andy Dalton. I guess this year we will get to see if he is good or an anomaly.



Folks you don't need an RGIII to win the SB just a half decent OL to protect him, a QB who can make all the throws, and some decent WR's who can catch a ball which we don't have other then Moss and Gaffney.

Curt Warner was a RB for Penn State in the early 80's. Brees didn't come anywhere near borderline sucking as you say.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Curt Warner was a RB for Penn State in the early 80's. Brees didn't come anywhere near borderline sucking as you say.

Maybe not but the Chargers apparently didn't see the need to keep him either. Remember he had a shoulder injury and they thought he was done. If I'm not mistaken.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Maybe not but the Chargers apparently didn't see the need to keep him either. Remember he had a shoulder injury and they thought he was done. If I'm not mistaken.

They also put the franchise tag on him a year before when he was healthy.

That's the thought experiment I like: what if instead of using a pair of first round picks on Campbell and Rogers, what if Gibbs had signed Brees instead in 2005, and had to give up two first round picks to the Chargers? I doubt Brees would have become elite here and gone to the pro bowl every year, but I think he'd be widely regarded as the best QB the Redskins have had since Rypien.

[Hog1]

McNabb being interviewed on 980 (Coach and Doc) in DC via M&M this morning says......Peyton is not coming to DC.
Well, I guess that's it...........NO PM in DC..

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Hog1

McNabb being interviewed on 980 (Coach and Doc) in DC via M&M this morning says......Peyton is not coming to DC.
Well, I guess that's it...........NO PM in DC..

What was their arguement for this?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

What was their arguement for this?

He basically said the Shannahans would need to tailor their whole Offense around Peyton and because they didn't do it for him, they wouldn't do it for Peyton. He doesn't realize he's not Peyton Manning, although he's probably right that they wouldn't let Peyton essentially run the show.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

What was their arguement for this?

McNabb makes it sound like his reasoning is that he already failed in DC, so no way would they try it again with Peyton. Which makes me LOL, because Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McNabb.

[Paintrain]

Current speculation (Omar Kelly wrote of it in the Sun-Sentinel today & John Clayton referenced it on Mike & Mike) is that the Rams would prefer to trade their #2 pick prior to the start of free agency in order to maximize value.

It makes a lot of sense because as opposed to most years when draft picks grow in value as the draft approaches, free agency can reduce the true number of suitors for RGIII depending on where Manning and Flynn end up. Clayton also said the Dolphins and Seahawks aren't realistically in it so it will come down to us and Cleveland.

Throw in the post-Combine weekend speculation that the Browns are unwilling to part with both #1 picks and that they are planning to go hard after Flynn the cards are laying out for a RGIII-Redskins marriage at some point soon.

From our standpoint, it would also be beneficial to make the move prior to free agency because we'd then know where we need to focus our resources. We can address WR, G and CB via free agency if we know the QB position will be addressed with the #2 pick.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Current speculation (Omar Kelly wrote of it in the Sun-Sentinel today & John Clayton referenced it on Mike & Mike) is that the Rams would prefer to trade their #2 pick prior to the start of free agency in order to maximize value.

It makes a lot of sense because as opposed to most years when draft picks grow in value as the draft approaches, free agency can reduce the true number of suitors for RGIII depending on where Manning and Flynn end up. Clayton also said the Dolphins and Seahawks aren't realistically in it so it will come down to us and Cleveland.

Throw in the post-Combine weekend speculation that the Browns are unwilling to part with both #1 picks and that they are planning to go hard after Flynn the cards are laying out for a RGIII-Redskins marriage at some point soon.

From our standpoint, it would also be beneficial to make the move prior to free agency because we'd then know where we need to focus our resources. We can address WR, G and CB via free agency if we know the QB position will be addressed with the #2 pick.

Great post. Pretty much lays it all out as to why we'll probably see a deal get done before FA starts, because it's beneficial to both sides. And if the Rams want Eli Manning type compensation for the #2 pick, I see no reason as to why we won't give it to them.