What's your take on our coaching?

[GusFrerotte]

I can be a patient man and give Shanny two years to give us something that resembles a competitve football team. I am not even talking about playoffs, just competitive like ole Norv's 7-9 to 9-7 seasons, which signals we are indeed moving in some positive direction. If that doesn't happen then we were hoodwinked again by Snyder, with yet another sexy franchise move. Asking for a competitive team next year might be asking too much since we would have a rookie QB, but his sophmore season there has to be some marked improvement. We can't abandon retooling the D either, as we need to revamp both the secondary and LB corp.

[saden1]

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.

Well put. I wouldn't say playoffs or "off with their heads", but there needs to be a significant (4+ Win) improvement next year.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Well put. I wouldn't say playoffs or "off with their heads", but there needs to be a significant (4+ Win) improvement next year.

When Shanahan was hired I said he was a mediocre coach except for one or two exceptional regular seasons the last ten years. I remember Gibbs delivered his second year with what he had, which wasn't much. I don't think we should lower our expectations in the third year because if he can't succeed by then chances are he won't succeed in the 4th year.


Show me the money!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by saden1

When Shanahan was hired I said he was a mediocre coach except for one or two exceptional regular seasons the last ten years. I remember Gibbs delivered his second year with what he had, which wasn't much. I don't think we should lower our expectations in the third year because if he can't succeed by then chances are he won't succeed in the 4th year.


Show me the money!

We can argue over the accuracy of this, Gibbs did inherit a franchise LT & a solid RT & decent LG, all career Skins at the time. Then signed a C & a RG. He traded for a RB & a WR. Of course, the Brunell trade too. On D, they signed a bunch of starters in 04 - Daniels, Griffin, Washington, Springs, Wynn.

Regardless of how good those guys were, let's agree on one thing: a lot of $ was spent in Gibbs' tenure to bring in free agents & trades. They signed guys like Brunell & Moss to pretty big deals. The new guys on D got nice deals too.

My point is, Gibbs built a team for the relative short-term & spent a lot of $, draft picks & cap space that impacted the team beyond his time. Of course Vinny was a part of it. While I'm an avid Gibbs fan & think he did a lot considering the dysfunctional culture/mgmt. he worked with, Allen & Shanny have made much more prudent decisions. If Gibbs were to have taken that approach when he came back, we might not've won much in 05 & 07, but the team might've been younger & cheaper when he left.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

We can argue over the accuracy of this, Gibbs did inherit a franchise LT & a solid RT & decent LG, all career Skins at the time. Then signed a C & a RG. He traded for a RB & a WR. Of course, the Brunell trade too. On D, they signed a bunch of starters in 04 - Daniels, Griffin, Washington, Springs, Wynn.

Regardless of how good those guys were, let's agree on one thing: a lot of $ was spent in Gibbs' tenure to bring in free agents & trades. They signed guys like Brunell & Moss to pretty big deals. The new guys on D got nice deals too.

My point is, Gibbs built a team for the relative short-term & spent a lot of $, draft picks & cap space that impacted the team beyond his time. Of course Vinny was a part of it. While I'm an avid Gibbs fan & think he did a lot considering the dysfunctional culture/mgmt. he worked with, Allen & Shanny have made much more prudent decisions. If Gibbs were to have taken that approach when he came back, we might not've won much in 05 & 07, but the team might've been younger & cheaper when he left.

It's funny. I actually thought saden was talking about Gibbs' second year of his first stint, when he won the Super Bowl

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Well put. I wouldn't say playoffs or "off with their heads", but there needs to be a significant (4+ Win) improvement next year.

I think this is a good, easily identifiable baseline.

Now, I'm thinking that 8-8 or 9-7 next year probably doesn't do anything to make me feel better on the Shanahan hire: pretty much anyone with common sense can build an average football team in three years. The draft order basically does that for you. But I think that improvement would mean the Redskins are (finally) on the right track. With how soft the schedule has been this year, there's no way for this team to get to 8 wins without dramatically improving the team over the next offseason.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by saden1

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.

I would expect a 9-7 or 8-8 from us next year providing we get a good rookie QB. We have to revamp everything Saden, and I mean everything, even finish sorting out the WR corp for the future. Secondary and the LB corps are a mess. We need 3-4 OLs for at least depth. Just too many gaps yet to fill to make this a really solid squad.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I would expect a 9-7 or 8-8 from us next year providing we get a good rookie QB. We have to revamp everything Saden, and I mean everything, even finish sorting out the WR corp for the future. Secondary and the LB corps are a mess. We need 3-4 OLs for at least depth. Just too many gaps yet to fill to make this a really solid squad.

Way too early to tell where we'll be record wise. People were saying the same thing this year and we're not getting to 8-9 wins this year.

[saden1]

I'm taking about Gibbs' second stint. If Shanahan is building for the future that's great but just don't expect me to support him without expectations. I think 3 years is plenty and if he addresses the qb position next year I am willing to give him one more year. His decision to keep rex and beck has really set us back a year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm taking about Gibbs' second stint. If Shanahan is building for the future that's great but just don't expect me to support him without expectations. I think 3 years is plenty and if he addresses the qb position next year I am willing to give him one more year. His decision to keep rex and beck has really set us back a year.

Throw the McNabb trade, that's a two year setback methinks.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Throw the McNabb trade, that's a two year setback methinks.

Great point!

[CrustyRedskin]

Will one of you experts just answer one question for me? How can it happen and is it a good thing to regress durring the rebuilding process?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Will one of you experts just answer one question for me? How can it happen and is it a good thing to regress durring the rebuilding process?

..........it's technical..

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Will one of you experts just answer one question for me? How can it happen and is it a good thing to regress durring the rebuilding process?

I'm no expert, but I would think any regression would be in the 1st year as player evaluations are being made and transition to a new system/philosophy, after that there shouldn't be a regression, outside of injuries.