2010 NFL Off-Season Rumors and Reports (Week 5)

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Agree! Also ironically, I believe we would give up our 3rd, if we had one for AH in a second.

Who wouldn't? I was tilting towards Shanahan on this until I heard the guy on Kornheiser say that Shanny is forcing Haslett to install the 3-4. I think it is fine to move towards a 3-4 but the reason Shanahan was run out of Denver was his failings to build defenses. It is one thing to tell Haslett, "I want to be a 3-4 team in two years". It is completely different to force a 3-4 on your coordinator and run out the best defensive lineman in football on top of that and also render a double digit sack guy useless.

We aren't even 100% positive that we have the linebackers to suceed in the 3-4 and now we are crippling our defensive line? We do not have enough picks to completely revamp a defense and our offense was the main problem last year.

This looks like history repeating itself.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This looks like history repeating itself.

If they move AH for a 3rd... I would have no choice but to agree with that.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 44ever

If they move AH for a 3rd... I would have no choice but to agree with that.

Best case scenario is if they deal AH to Detroit or TB and get their 2nd rounder, which is like a late 1st rounder. Personally, I want them to get a 1st rounder and then some.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Who wouldn't? I was tilting towards Shanahan on this until I heard the guy on Kornheiser say that Shanny is forcing Haslett to install the 3-4. I think it is fine to move towards a 3-4 but the reason Shanahan was run out of Denver was his failings to build defenses. It is one thing to tell Haslett, "I want to be a 3-4 team in two years". It is completely different to force a 3-4 on your coordinator and run out the best defensive lineman in football on top of that and also render a double digit sack guy useless.

We aren't even 100% positive that we have the linebackers to suceed in the 3-4 and now we are crippling our defensive line? We do not have enough picks to completely revamp a defense and our offense was the main problem last year.

This looks like history repeating itself.

I have been thinking the exact same thing! A lot of changes taking place simultaneously, maybe too many.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I have been thinking the exact same thing! A lot of changes taking place simultaneously, maybe too many.

Well another way of looking at it is this: Most of us have been fans for our entire lives. We know of all the different schemes put into place just to watch them fall. Were tired of losing and don't want to hang around for another wait and see. We want a contending team as quickly as possible.

MS on the other hand has only been a Skins fan for a few months. He was brought in and expected to make this team a contender. In order for him to get us there as quickly as possible, he needs to make drastic changes as quickly as possible.

If that means 2-3 more years to get there so be it. As MS probably sees it. But in his mind he has a plan and planning to get us there as quickly as possible. IMO.

[jdc65]

I am also having difficulty with the sudden switch to a 3-4. With a win now mentality being displayed by offensive acquisitions, why drastically alter the defensive alignment that was built for a 4-3? If the team was rebuilding on offense with youth and an eye on the future, then a switch to a 3-4 makes more sense. It appears to me now that the entire front 7 needs to be replaced save for Orakpo. Fletcher is questionable in a 3-4, and is probably in his last year. Carter does not fit, not sure about where McIntosh fits, Daniels is a 1 down player, Golston is also questionable in a 3-4.

Losing Haynesworth would leave us with a line-up of : Jarmon, Kemoeatu/Montgomery, Daniels/Golston; and a linebacking corps of: Alexander/Carter, McIntosh/Henson, Fletcher, and Orakpo. This to me is a weak front 7, and we still have secondary issues.

How horrible would it be if the offense is improved, but the defense is noticeably weaker?
It could conceivably cost us a playoff spot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Who wouldn't? I was tilting towards Shanahan on this until I heard the guy on Kornheiser say that Shanny is forcing Haslett to install the 3-4. I think it is fine to move towards a 3-4 but the reason Shanahan was run out of Denver was his failings to build defenses. It is one thing to tell Haslett, "I want to be a 3-4 team in two years". It is completely different to force a 3-4 on your coordinator and run out the best defensive lineman in football on top of that and also render a double digit sack guy useless.

We aren't even 100% positive that we have the linebackers to suceed in the 3-4 and now we are crippling our defensive line? We do not have enough picks to completely revamp a defense and our offense was the main problem last year.

This looks like history repeating itself.

What guy said that? Was it LaCanfora? Shanahan's not forcing Haslett to run a 3-4. Shahanan hired Haslett because Haslett is well-versed in multiple defenses (including the 3-4 and the 4-3). We'll see a lot of both this year

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What guy said that? Was it LaCanfora? Shanahan's not forcing Haslett to run a 3-4. Shahanan hired Haslett because Haslett is well-versed in multiple defenses (including the 3-4 and the 4-3). We'll see a lot of both this year

SS, stop you're killing the rumor mongering. I hate this time of year, everyone throws out this nonsense regarding interpersonal relations at Redskins Park, as if they have the first clue as to what is going on.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

There are reasons Shanahan, Haslett, and Bruce Allen were all fired from their most recent NFL jobs. What we are seeing here is part of that. That said, all of them represent improvements over their predecessors. While i Think its completely foolish to switch to a 3-4 in 2010, i think that by the time the roster is finalized, we'll have more of the pieces in place to make the team successful.

I really think shanahan's offense will be able to score around 28 points per game. our defense will probably be one of the league's worst this year. i fully expect the switch to the 3-4 to cost us some games, though. hopefully the long-term benefit will be worth it.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jdc65

I am also having difficulty with the sudden switch to a 3-4. With a win now mentality being displayed by offensive acquisitions, why drastically alter the defensive alignment that was built for a 4-3? If the team was rebuilding on offense with youth and an eye on the future, then a switch to a 3-4 makes more sense. It appears to me now that the entire front 7 needs to be replaced save for Orakpo. Fletcher is questionable in a 3-4, and is probably in his last year. Carter does not fit, not sure about where McIntosh fits, Daniels is a 1 down player, Golston is also questionable in a 3-4.

Losing Haynesworth would leave us with a line-up of : Jarmon, Kemoeatu/Montgomery, Daniels/Golston; and a linebacking corps of: Alexander/Carter, McIntosh/Henson, Fletcher, and Orakpo. This to me is a weak front 7, and we still have secondary issues.

How horrible would it be if the offense is improved, but the defense is noticeably weaker?
It could conceivably cost us a playoff spot.

This is what I am struggling with. McNabb wasn't brought here for a rebuilding process, he mentioned that in his press conference.

I thought that Al was the problem until I heard that Haslett wanted to run a 4-3 but was told that a 3-4 was our base defense. Why wouldn't you fix the offense this year then worry about moving to the 3-4 next year?

So Albert is taking all the heat for this situation (I still think he should show up) but the whole thing with Albert was self-imposed not by the D-Coordinator but by the head coach who has a long track record of making bad defensive decisions.

It is almost like he went out of his way to alienate AH to show that he is in charge.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What guy said that? Was it LaCanfora? Shanahan's not forcing Haslett to run a 3-4. Shahanan hired Haslett because Haslett is well-versed in multiple defenses (including the 3-4 and the 4-3). We'll see a lot of both this year

I don't know exactly who said it, I missed the introduction of the segment. It was on Kornheiser yesterday.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What guy said that? Was it LaCanfora? Shanahan's not forcing Haslett to run a 3-4. Shahanan hired Haslett because Haslett is well-versed in multiple defenses (including the 3-4 and the 4-3). We'll see a lot of both this year

So why did Shanny say that Albert is our starting "nose tackle". I have to think those words were carefully chosen. Maybe I am wrong but I just don't see Shanahan making a generalization with that statement. I think it was at least a shot across the bow.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

SS, stop you're killing the rumor mongering. I hate this time of year, everyone throws out this nonsense regarding interpersonal relations at Redskins Park, as if they have the first clue as to what is going on.

By "everyone" are you refering to employees of NFL network? This information came from an analyst speaking during a segment of the Tony Kornheiser show. This isn't, "Hey what if Champ comes back".

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Not to mention that Bradford will be gone by the 4th pick.

Unless they pass on him.

Some still aren't sold on Bradford as No. 1 pick | ProFootballTalk.com

Rams G.M. insists team hasn't zeroed in on Bradford | ProFootballTalk.com

Trent Dilfer says Sam Bradford is "not even close to the best player in the draft" | ProFootballTalk.com


Plus there's this...

Sam Bradford thinks it would be cool to play for Mike Shanahan | ProFootballTalk.com

[DCSportsFan98]

Originally Posted by 44ever

If they move AH for a 3rd... I would have no choice but to agree with that.

3rd? AH is worth a 1st or a package of picks. if the best we can get is a 3rd then id rather keep him