Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!

Hey DMV, I bet if the Redskins make the palyoffs we would still have some Hatter ass fans complaining that JC needs to go.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

Nice GTripp

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

OMG, our 30+ pts scoreless streak is almost as long as our defensive touchdownless streak. Who knew?

oh c/mon tripp. i know you're smarter than that silly ass comment you just made. lol.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

please don't call dmv names, he is a very sensitive and understanding guy, and certainly doesn't deserve to be called a dumbass.

[Dirtbag59]

Last time I remember seeing a Redskins defensive Touchdown off the top of my head was 2005 when Sean Taylor helped seal the deal against the Eagles. Man that was a good year.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

You said yourself we have been looking for a franchise QB and they don't grow on trees. What makes you so sure if we get rid of JC that we can find one or even draft one. I do believe we had Trent Green at 1 time as our QB and we let him go. Do you remember that? Do you remember Brad Johnson who once played for us and we let him go so we could play Jeff George? You remember those QB's Celts32 Huh? Stop whining about our QB and focus on the the O-line and Defense not getting off the field.

And dont forget Rich Gannon who went on to win a little award called......MVP!

There are alot of other factors that go into having a successful QB. Our O-line is pathetic, and we have some young receivers that are getting better. Moss isnt a #1 guy anymore, if he is doubled up he disappears. We need our run game to get going, but with our O-line thats gonna be difficult. Zorns playcalling isnt helping, but hopefully he continues to learn on the job, and improves as the season goes along.

Again, QB is the first guy we praise after a win, and the first one we tear down after a loss. Campbell has played well so far, and looks to be improved over last year. All the talk about Cutler and Sanchez is just ridiculous at this point, it isnt gonna change anything. Im not telling anyone to shutup, but JC is our QB for the immediate future, so we gotta back him up. And those asking for Collins need to go back under your rock, thats an absurd suggestion IMO.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

Yes. Just cause I am not there to watch a turkey roast in the oven, doesn't mean it's not being cooked.

If Jason Campbell makes major progress in the stat sheet, and no one is there to read it, is he doing any better?

Problem is, stat sheets don't win games. It's not MAJOR progress either. Again, I feel the need to point out his 5 fumbles that lead the league. Keep in mind, everyone shut up about Campbell when we were 6-2 last year and his "stat sheet" looked good cause there were next to no interceptions. This is a guy on pace for 16 tds. So what? Fact is, NO ONE respects Campbell's ability in the NFL for a reason, so maybe you should go talk to them and tell them about Campbell's "stats". They are playing to stop the run, and guess what, Campbell isn't stepping up to beat them. Go figure. We can NOT rely on campbell to win us games, he's just not good enough, and if he doesn't get it now, he never will.

There's a lot of reasons our offense has struggled since last year's Lions game. The offensive line has not been good and has taken plenty of blows. The running game has not been a factor. The receivers were completely lost all of last year.

Those are just skewed excuses...when Campbell over and under throws, is it all on the wr's? Cause he was off A LOT last year.

This year, the receivers are doing a better job and I think it shows up in Campbell's overall numbers. But the total product hasn't come yet. You do have to give it more than three games if you are looking for everything to come together at once. Just a week ago, Detroit was playing like the worst team in football. After an impressive win against us, they probably aren't one of the five worst teams in football.

Problem is, we have had more than 3 games for things to come together. He's 3 for his last 11. Not impressive! By now, Campbell should be taking charge and leading us to game winning drives. He's not, and hasn't, and likely never will.

We rank middle of the pack in offense, middle of the pack in defense, but our special teams have actually been pretty good. Which is a major upgrade from last year. But progress from this point on either offense or defense will be needed to put the whole package together.

We rank middle of the pack in offense (13th to be exact), yet only the raiders, rams (who almost and should have beat us) Browns, and Panthers have fewer points scored. That is a direct result of QB play. Just goes to show you how Campbell's numbers DO lie. The offense is doing the defense NO favors.

[over the mountain]

imo our O line in pass protect this year has been pretty good, especially since we are not max protecting like years past.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

please don't call dmv names, he is a very sensitive and understanding guy, and certainly doesn't deserve to be called a dumbass.

He obviously doesn't know me..lol. I will let this one slide....


See Matty & SmootSmack. I am learning to ignore ignorance. lol

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

Let me tackle this in a classy way. Who am I? A true redskins fan. Not someone who comes on the board and spews hate. I am one who supports his team. I am one who is a die hard fan and will always be. If your comments would make any sense or have any intelligence in them that would be fine. But you make general statements and usually contradict yourself. Just your reply makes you seem very ignorant and childish. I am all about defending yourself. But sir you weren't attacked. I am the king of insults. So you really dont want to go there. Trust me.

My point is. All we have is JC! We aren't going to have another QB until after the season if that happens. I could see if JC was stinking it up like Jake Delhome or like Demarcus Russell. You need to give your QB time to improve. If he had a running game and a defense and wasn't producing then fine. Place all the blame on him. But if you want to act like a 3 yr old throwing a tanturm that is fine. But your only going to drive yourself crazy for no reason. Have some level headedness about you. Your little outburst shows that you are more about emotions than analysis. You just want to hate. Steam probably is coming out of your ears in abundance.

JC isn't as bad as you make him out to be. Have some faith. Be a fan and not a antagonist pessimistic imbecile. As far as my comment on supporting him or shut up. What are we going to do? Make a trade? Are we going to get another QB soon? I think the chances of that are 0 to none. Some people are so blinded by hate they can't actually see that JC is improving. If you think everyone is going to be a Joe Montana, Dan Marino or Peyton Manning out the gate. Then your less intelligent than I thought.

As far as saying we are all sitting on the sidelines making comments. This is true. But some us try to speak from analysis and not just emotion. We are not the QB. We dont have defensive players blitzing us and knocking the ish out of us on plays. We don't understand the speed and other intangibles. So for someone to complain about JC not going a receiver on a specific play seems very petty. Yes we want him to be a hall of fame QB and make the correct decicion 100% of time. but that comes with game experieince. We as fans do not have any patience. Some peoplewere asking to get rid of him last year after only a few starts. They dont know what Zorn told JC. They dont know what the circumstances were. Some of the comments actually seems assinine at times. We can all criticize him. But lets get to the real problem and not just hate to be hating!! JC can't catch the ball. Block for himself. Or play running back. As a team we are not producing. So to place all the blame on JC is idiotic at best.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

The O-line was getting bumrushed by the Bills and Brees looked mediocre for a while in that game. BUT, they righted the ship and went to the running game. They're a complete offense. They struggle and still score 27.

And let's not forget about that Copper dude (Terrence?) and the other scrub WRs Brees has made look good over the last couple of years. Bad WRs is about the weakest excuse anyone can make for a QB.

Your making a good point against yourself here. They righted the ship by going to the running game. Our O-line is not producing espeically when it comes to running game. Have you seen any running game to go to?

What makes his WRs scrubs? Are you just saying that for the sake of argument. So Colston, Henderson, Meachum and all the rest of them are scrubs? No maybe they run their routes correctly and are precise when it comes to the offensive game plan. If a WR is a scrub he wont come back to the ball. He wont create any separation. He will not try to knock the ball away from a defender when their is a potential INT. he will not have awareness and be able to make a move so the QB can salvage a bad play. Like breaking off yoru route and getting open when the QB is being chased around. Brees is an outstanding QB but that doesn't mean his WR are scrubs. If they were scrubs they wouldn't be in the NFL. So why are his WRs scrubs again?

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

You mean like the Great Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman lead their teams ( Ravens/Bears) to the SuperBowl.

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos.

My philosophy is that neither the defense nor the offense can win you a championship outright. They need the support of each other. We have an above average defense and an under average offense. The least we can do if we aren't scoring points is to dominate time of possession. In our two losses we haven't in our one win we have.

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

It's funny that you bring that up because THAT is undoubtedly on the whole offense. There were 2 consecutive possessions last week that were 3 & outs because, on 3rd down Moss and then Cooley ran their routes a yard short of the sticks. That's unacceptable! A QB can't be expected to know if a guy is running his route at 9 or 10 yards (I believe one was like 12 or 13 and the other was around 8 (not sure)). Each Moss and Cooley were about a yard short because they didn't get deep enough on their routes. All Jason can do is deliver the football those 2 possessions ended because the receivers made mistakes.

Those two drives would have at least allowed the D more rest, as you said or, as unlikely as it sounds with this offense, they could have turned into points.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos..

Give me another example besides Kurt Warner? Elways didn't have a defense? Not to mention T Davis was tearing up the league. But don't get me wrong. Elway is one of the greatest of all times. But are you really saying that they had no defense?

Kurt warner is the exception to the rule. But seriously name a team that won a Superbowl, besides the Rams, without having a defense.

Im waiting...