Trouble in Redskins Park?

[J. Falcon]

I may take this off-season to reevaluate my loyalty to this team.

[NCSUredskin]

Only thing there is to post......It's a shit show fellas

[MTK]

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.

I guess I'm also with Matty in terms of maybe it is not all doom and gloom as everyone makes it out to be.

Everyone seems to want to give McC all of the credit for the improvement of the team, yet none of the blame for some of the miscues in personnel/draft. Everyone is quickly to call us a laughing stock, even though we just had back-to-back winning seasons, and have the potential of continuing to be a winning team.

Perhaps the Redskins could have handled this situation better, but if all of this has to do with McC's performance being affected by his past troubles, I can see why a lot of what has gone down, has happened.

Maybe there is some type of power struggle or at least a disagreement between Jay and Scot, and the team is going with Jay.

I hope I'm not jinxing it, but when the team goes 1-15 or has the issue that teams like Cleveland, Jacksonville, or Buffalo have had in the past season, then you can call the team a laughing stock.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.

I'm guessing his influence has diminished over time. I'm not trying to credit or discredit anyone, just saying we've gotten some good results lately and maybe it's not all due to McC.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm guessing his influence has diminished over time. I'm not trying to credit or discredit anyone, just saying we've gotten some good results lately and maybe it's not all due to McC.

Fair enough. I'm definitely not trying to say we only have McC to thank for where we're at, clearly Gruden has played a hand in the success of this team. But right now Gruden is our only saving grace. Way too much negative bs about the McC/Allen beef and the Kirk not wanting us bs for me to think Gruden can steer us out of this ship alone. I didn't have a problem with Allen handling the business side of things, but I have a major problem with Allen being involved in player evaluations. He's got 1 good draft in 2014 (that might be partially based on McC's scouting service) and then he's got fuck-all in years of drafting. He ruined the Bucs, and somehow managed to outlast Shanahan (I guess because he was the bit player and Mike S. had "total control.") But as long as Allen/Snyder are in charge, I will be convinced we are not any better off then we were. Especially if Kirk leaves and we get a ham sandwich or worse in return.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

Agree. I am not at all ready to flush the upcoming season. I am more and more OK with Gruden having a bigger role and growing our own front office as we grow our own players.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

Jay Gruden gets nowhere near enough credit

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Jay Gruden gets nowhere near enough credit

I agree with this. And when I heard that he was in the player interviews at the combine, that's what kept me level headed about McCloughan being phased out. I do think Jay knows how to assess football character and I think he has a strong vision for what he wants his team to look like. I would go so far as to say I would trust him to have final say over our draft board on a go forward basis.

I hope Allen and Doug Williams listen to him on draft day.

The only remaining reservation I have about Jay is whether he keeps himself open minded enough about coaching staff hires. Does he rely too much on those he knows, thus limiting himself to a narrow field of candidates. We'll see.

Overall in Jay I trust.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree with this. And when I heard that he was in the player interviews at the combine, that's what kept me level headed about McCloughan being phased out. I do think Jay knows how to assess football character and I think he has a strong vision for what he wants his team to look like. I would go so far as to say I would trust him to have final say over our draft board on a go forward basis.

I hope Allen and Doug Williams listen to him on draft day.

The only remaining reservation I have about Jay is whether he keeps himself open minded enough about coaching staff hires. Does he rely too much on those he knows, thus limiting himself to a narrow field of candidates. We'll see.

Overall in Jay I trust.

I think Jay is the backbone of the franchise. My concern is if he is experienced enough to expand his roll and still manage the team properly.

Very few coaches are successful at balancing the budget, buying the groceries, and cooking the meal. Sorry - channeling my inner Bill Parcells.

[NCSUredskin]

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I just came by to say screw you Bruce Allen!

[Evilgrin]

If he is a glorified Scount, not sure why they need to fire him. It's just so strange.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

If he is a glorified Scount, not sure why they need to fire him. It's just so strange.

Why pay a glorified scout GM money? Especially when you can just use his scouting services for a fraction of the cost.

Ultimately it comes down to this, if he has indeed let his drinking impact his work, he only has himself to blame.

[NC_Skins]

Bruce Allen is Vinny Cerrato 2.0

Sources: 'Bruce Needs a Yes Man,' McCloughan on the Way Out | NBC4 Washington


Expect the next "GM" to be a fall guy.