Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I agree Matty, but my whole thing is if all these excuses coming from Shanny are true, then why did DM even get the start? And if it was to get a spark going, just say so, and it just blows over. Now you have the press all over Redskin Park looking for any juicy tidbit that will play a major distraction to a team that needs a lot of work. Shanny isn't coming off as really savvy here.

You're right about this: Shanahan is not media savvy, and that is really what this is all about. He's not a smooth-talker, and he doesn't have the elegance to dodge questions gracefully. This could have been diffused with some good lying, but Shanahan's not a good liar. So what.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The "excuse a minute" is coming from the media -- not Shanahan. Everyone has an opinion, or something to add. It's not Shanahan, so chill out.

Your problem is that you believe everything you read, and most of it isn't even coming from Redskins park. Shanahan doesn't think Grossman is the answer, and the 2 minute stuff is just a lame excuse to make the reporter shut up. Like SS has said several times, they were pissed about the pick, McNabb set up the wrong play at least once, and they had enough crap so they pulled him. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and I'm sure looking back Shanahan knows it was a mistake. Over and done. Move on.

Well then NFL.com and Yahoo sports are a bunch of liars. My question to you was why didn't Shanny just say he thought a spark was needed and defuse the situation. The whole thing is dumb. He had every right to pull him, but these excuses make it look bad. The last thing we need is controversy, when the staff needs to right what is wrong with the offense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Know nothing!!!!!! The guy didn't seem arrogant to me. Yeah, he might have misjudged that the Fun N Gun would work in the NFL, but he never pulled an excuse a minute thing pulling a QB. I am talking about character more than anything. Besides, Spurrier seems to know how to build something, just not in the NFL unfortunately.

We're talking about a guy who basically laughed in the faces of all NFL coaches and their work hours. Yeah no arrogance there.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Well then NFL.com and Yahoo sports are a bunch of liars. My question to you was why didn't Shanny just say he thought a spark was needed and defuse the situation. The whole thing is dumb. He had every right to pull him, but these excuses make it look bad. The last thing we need is controversy, when the staff needs to right what is wrong with the offense.

How do you know a controversy exists? Other than the media suggesting such things. The media is frequently more concerned with being first to break a story whether one exists or not all to often.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're talking about a guy who basically laughed in the faces of all NFL coaches and their work hours. Yeah no arrogance there.

"We wound up 5-11!!!"

[MTK]

I think Shanahan is giving DM the Haynesworth treatment. A little public kick in the pants to get him going.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

Here are some Superbowl winning coaches that have been fired:

Tom Landry
Bill Callahan
Jon Gruden
Brian Billick
Mike Ditka

The fact that Shanahan was fired from Denver means nothing about his coaching abilities.

[MTK]

Callahan didn't win one, he got hammered by Gruden

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

"We wound up 5-11!!!"

Ugh, reading that transcript gave me a headache

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think Shanahan is giving DM the Haynesworth treatment. A little public kick in the pants to get him going.

If that is the case, he is on a slippery slope. McNabb has been taking beatings over and over again due to poor line play with no complaints.

The players will agree on some level with chastising someone who skipped out on OTAs. McNabb attended everything and even put in overtime with his teammates.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the team isn't happy with the move. When all of the players that I heard (Cooley, Haynesworth Daniels) point out that they thought McNabb must have been hurt, it says that they are baffled with the move.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Well then NFL.com and Yahoo sports are a bunch of liars. My question to you was why didn't Shanny just say he thought a spark was needed and defuse the situation. The whole thing is dumb. He had every right to pull him, but these excuses make it look bad. The last thing we need is controversy, when the staff needs to right what is wrong with the offense.

Look, Shanahan can say this:

"I'm not happy where we're at offensively," Shanahan said. "I told Donovan, 'You've got a ways to go.' Our offensive line has a ways to go, our receivers, our coaching staff, we're not happy where we're at."

Doesn't sound like excuses to me. But, the media is not satisfied with that answer, so they dig deeper, and Shanahan makes up a lame excuse to get them to shut up. The excuse is a lie, and not the truth, from Shanahan's perspective, IMO. Don't focus on the lies so much.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Callahan didn't win one, he got hammered by Gruden

Haha, oops.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Look, Shanahan can say this:

"I'm not happy where we're at offensively," Shanahan said. "I told Donovan, 'You've got a ways to go.' Our offensive line has a ways to go, our receivers, our coaching staff, we're not happy where we're at."

Doesn't sound like excuses to me. But, the media is not satisfied with that answer, so they dig deeper, and Shanahan makes up a lame excuse to get them to shut up. The excuse is a lie, and not the truth, from Shanahan's perspective, IMO. Don't focus on the lies so much.

This is kind of my thought as well. I also think that MS rolled the dice in the heat of the moment and tried to spark something and it backfired. Unless McNabb was hurt, I don't and did'nt like the call at the time simply because it was Grossman that got the call, but I recognize the ballsy move and respect Shanny's guts to pull the trigger.
I also feel the need to point out the horrible o-line play. All the sacks and hurries on McNabb were devastating, culminating in the final 2 turnovers. The o-lines failures added up in the end to McNabb's poor decision to throw the pick into triple coverage, ahead by 5 with under 5 mins left, because a: being hit and hurried all day rattled DMc's confidence and poise, and b: under the situation, pocket protection was nil, and DMc tried to force the ball under fire.
Rabach and Lichtensteiger were owned all day for false starts and overwhelmed physically. The play call by Shanahan was knee jerk and premature imo, unless there was indeed a DMc injury, but I get it. I PUT THIS ONE ON THE O-LINE.

[aceinthehouse]

People can criticize Shanny all they want on the move to pull Mcnabb,but love it...
It shows that the coach DEMANDS perfection and doesn't settle for 1/2 ass play.

How many times were we screaming at the TV last season and the season before,for Zorn to sit J.Campbell down and try something different as he was stinkin' up the field...yet Soul Glo came a trottin' out on the field no matter what and we saw the same damn thing.

i admire a coach to go against the grain from time to time. To stir things up...to motivate the team...to try something different in time of need.

And boy..we needed it against the Lions game. Unfortunately,grossman made Shanny out to be a fool for the decision because of the fumble..

People are all freakin' out and saying mcnabb is gone after this season....Rexy is starting and all kinds of crazy stuff.

These are the kind of moves and decisions and accountability we have needed from a coach to demand on his players for a very,VERY long time.

Gibbs 2.0 didn't even have this hold on the team imo...He had the respect from the players..but not this kind of demands of accountability from poor play from the players.

AND I LOVE IT!
This his how championships are built friends!

Now,he needs to get what this team desperately needs imo...A #1 WR

I expect Shanny to put in a claim on randy Moss. For a few reasons...
#1)After benching mcNabb,maybe he will realize that it's not all Mcnabbs fault. maybe,he will realize that Galloway or Armstrong at the #2 spot is not going to work,if we are to make a playoff run.

#2)Shanny loves to run the ball and with a healthy Portis coming back,a hot Torain and depth with Williams and new guy Davis...that a #1 WR like Moss,will open up his running game a little more and back off defenses who STILL do not respect our passing game. Specially,if the team has to continue keeping Cooley in to block cause our line sucks.

#3)Shanny may need to seriously make ammends with his QB,if he wants to keep him around. This could go along ways in re-signing mcnabb,by getting him a true talent at WR that Andy Reid and the Eagles refused to do throughout his whole tenure.

Fact is..Shanny is not happy with this Offense and there is only so much change you can do in week 8.
Moss may or may not be his type a player or locker room guy...but if he wants a chance to take the NFC east from a powerful Giants,he may have no other alternative,but take this High risk/High reward in accomplishing something in 2010.

He also has a BYE week to implement Moss into the offense,which could be a blessing and shot in the arm this offense needs,to make a push for post season.

and BTW..Moss is from WV from what i understand. So moss would be close to home. I don't think Moss would be a problem here imo...Plus he would be close to his buddies in New England and could visit them as often as he wants..lol

If he's available Shanny...you got to claim him!

[redsk1]

Tim Hasselbeck on Mike and Mike: Paraphrasing but basically sais Mike's not happy w/ DM's practice habits. MS used the word practice often in explaining why DM was pulled. Tim recalled playing in Phili in a West Coast Offense, the coaches were constantly on DM for his "tempo." They would have to tell him daily to pick it up. Pick up the tempo and that's what the West Coast is all about. He said MS is definately sending a message about practice and the tempo of the West Coast.

Then they all agreed that the message shouldn't have been sent when we have a chance to win a game in the final two minutes.