Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

[SFREDSKIN]

If Shanahan is the one who decides on the trade, then he stays. Shanahan doesn't want to come on as being weak in a battle of egos and wills. He will bench his ass all season unless he gets what's fair for him. So therefore, Schefter is right.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

And you think we are going to get more now?

Well at the time it was a prudent idea. Now in hindsight AH is not helping his cause. He says he doesn't like the 3-4 defense and made a spectacle about this whole situation. Had he came in healthy and fit and played lights out it would have made it a lot easier for us to trade him if thats what he wanted. See teams are looking at him now thinking possible problem player who is out of shape and can't last a full game. Other teams are not going to want him and the ones that do will offer minimal trade bait.

All I can say is if I was the owner I'd tell the GM and HC that if what "I" wanted in return for him was not met then AH could sit on the bench in uniform each game so I could watch the 21 mill I spent each and every game. Plus I'd want the fans to enjoy what 21 mill brought to the city.

I mean why give a guy 21 mill then "give" him even more of what he wants and release him. At what point do the Skins get what they wanted? A player who would be dominant at their position for 21 mill. When does that happen? and if it is not going to then the Skins should atleast be closely compensated for the 21 mill they did spend. Either give it to us in draft picks or players or a combo of both.

or simply return the damn money. AH has practically committed fraud. He's taken money and he's not performing at the level the team expects him to. Imagine paying your mechanic $10,000 to fix your car and when you get it back it sputters, shakes, or wants to stall periodically. I think you'd be complaining to the mechanic or possibly taking him to court for fraud. Taking your money and not fixing the problem. Thats exactly what AH has done. He took the 21 mill and has not fixed his endurance and looked bad playing against the Cards.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Are we including this with Albert?

No, just need some more guys to join in to fill it up. Besides nothing is going to happen probably with Fat Albert if there is a lot of bitching going on with compensation.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Niether do I. THe whole thing is weird, which is why folks probably came up with the smokescreen angle. I am starting to think the Shanny/Allen show isn't what is we were hoping for. The guy was disgruntled and should have been let go early on for maximum compensation.

It may not be, or it might be exactly what we ordered. There was no discipline with Norv, Marty comes in and all the players complain about work ethics and the team turns around and ends 8-8. Spurrier is brought in and again no discipline, Gibbs steps in and tries to create a happy medium even though Greg Williams tried to play hard ball, Then Zorn who again let the player off with no discipline.

This team needed discipline. One player, one, does not like how things have changed and is trying to fight the system. If it was more then one player... perhaps 3 or 4 players I'd say Dan Snyder made a mistake in picking the Allen/Shanahan team. Instead it's one player who refuses to get with the program. Honestly at this point I don't think I'd trade him. I'd be trying to make an example out of him. I still don't get the lets just cut our losses and take the crappy exchange rate after having shelled out 21 mill. I'm sorry, either I get 21 mill of work out of your ass or you can sit on the bench every weekend watching your teamates play... win, lose, or draw, and think about what you want out of life... a job where your playing a game having fun or sitting on the bench wishing you could knock heads losing a yr of playing time possibly diminishing your skill even further. Mean while I'd be up in my booth scanning my binoculars from the field to the bench and enjoying wondering what the fans were saying to AH throughout the whole game.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

It may not be, or it might be exactly what we ordered. There was no discipline with Norv, Marty comes in and all the players complain about work ethics and the team turns around and ends 8-8. Spurrier is brought in and again no discipline, Gibbs steps in and tries to create a happy medium even though Greg Williams tried to play hard ball, Then Zorn who again let the player off with no discipline.

This team needed discipline. One player, one, does not like how things have changed and is trying to fight the system. If it was more then one player... perhaps 3 or 4 players I'd say Dan Snyder made a mistake in picking the Allen/Shanahan team. Instead it's one player who refuses to get with the program. Honestly at this point I don't think I'd trade him. I'd be trying to make an example out of him. I still don't get the lets just cut our losses and take the crappy exchange rate after having shelled out 21 mill. I'm sorry, either I get 21 mill of work out of your ass or you can sit on the bench every weekend watching your teamates play... win, lose, or draw, and think about what you want out of life... a job where your playing a game having fun or sitting on the bench wishing you could knock heads losing a yr of playing time possibly diminishing your skill even further. Mean while I'd be up in my booth scanning my binoculars from the field to the bench and enjoying wondering what the fans were saying to AH throughout the whole game.

Nice post. I'm kind of past the point in the debate of MS v AH. I say who cares now? AH isn't showing enough to make it a serious question any longer.

If we're very, very lucky we get a player from trade who can actually help us. If we're just lucky AH will stay, play and be significantly better than he's been so far.

The problem is, our defense, especially the d-line, is suspect w/o a dominant AH. My take is this: if Mike and Jim couldn't see ahead to AH struggling so badly - or if they did consider it but do nothing, as we've seen to shore up the situation - my faith in the new regime is greatly diminished. Mike can't win w/o a dominant defense, a part of the game he doesn't seem to understand well. Much was put on Haslett's shoulders because 1) of Mike being the HC and 2) the unit in place was very, very good and just a piece or 2 short of being dominant.

If our defense is noticeably worse than last year we should be very, very concerned.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Nice post. I'm kind of past the point in the debate of MS v AH. I say who cares now? AH isn't showing enough to make it a serious question any longer.

If we're very, very lucky we get a player from trade who can actually help us. If we're just lucky AH will stay, play and be significantly better than he's been so far.

The problem is, our defense, especially the d-line, is suspect w/o a dominant AH. My take is this: if Mike and Jim couldn't see ahead to AH struggling so badly - or if they did consider it but do nothing, as we've seen to shore up the situation - my faith in the new regime is greatly diminished. Mike can't win w/o a dominant defense, a part of the game he doesn't seem to understand well. Much was put on Haslett's shoulders because 1) of Mike being the HC and 2) the unit in place was very, very good and just a piece or 2 short of being dominant.

If our defense is noticeably worse than last year we should be very, very concerned.

One of the biggest questions lost in this whole mess (why the 3-4). I really hope it doesn't come to this, but if our defense falters I hope someone makes MS accountable for making this switch. I'm still surprised that with his win-now attitude (instead of rebuilding), he would want to make such a drastic change.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So we finally get to the end of the pre-season and guys like Vonnie Holliday don't have to dress but the best D-lineman on the team has to play 49 of 55 plays against bread truck drivers.
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The other players you mention took part in 100% of camp...AH did not.If he was the best D-linemen like you said he had been there through the manditory min camps and learned the system.
AH wants to play DE in a 3-4,AH needs to play NT.....there are needs and there are wants,at NT AH would be all pro every year ...doubt about it,it's about what would be best for the team...not Albert.Oh and those were some pretty good bread truck drivers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Ace was saying we were wanting to add Britt, I figured you would have the scoop.

Think he said he saw something on some other message board. Not sure what exactly. I can't speak for rumors posted on other message boards

[Darrell_Green_28]

Orakpo says this is Distracting the team

Brian Orakpo: Haynesworth situation 'very distracting' - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[aceinthehouse]

One thing interesting to note:
Sheft reported the Titans came to the redskins about trading Albert over Labor Day weekend.

The relationship between Shanny and Albert had been cooling it had seemed then BOOM!
All this blows up!

When you add this info,plus the non stop drama all off season on Shanny and Albert,one has to wonder? Are the Titans putting out stuff to the Press to start these stories and false stories to these Mortensons,Reids and other minute by minute story breakers...?

The reason I ask is because...remember when the Titans accused us of tampering charges with Albert haynesworth when we signed him. One has to wonder if they are really trying to create conflict as much as they can for their own reasons.

This is all speculation of course,but I find these stories really stupid and on par with the "is brett coming back..or not" drama throughout the off season.

Who knows?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Shanahan is the one who decides on the trade, then he stays. Shanahan doesn't want to come on as being weak in a battle of egos and wills. He will bench his ass all season unless he gets what's fair for him. So therefore, Schefter is right.

If this is the case, MS needs to be less concern about battling wills and egos, and more concerned about the battle in the trenches with our d-line.

[skinsfaninok]

Who cares anymore? And orakpo needs to understand that haynesworth started all this shit, he's the one who asked for a trade months ago . BA should have dumped him then, but for some reason I think shanny wants AH in Wsh.

[over the mountain]

i think teams werent willing to part with too much compensation for big al back in april up until now b/c its my suspicion big al would want a new contract with the new team.

so not only would a team have to trade compensation for big al to the skins, they would then have to pay the man. thats not too appealing.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Who cares anymore? And orakpo needs to understand that haynesworth started all this shit, he's the one who asked for a trade months ago . BA should have dumped him then, but for some reason I think shanny wants AH in Wsh.

Read Orakpo's quote:

"It's very distracting, but we try not to let it get to us," linebacker Brian Orakpo said Tuesday afternoon. "Because we're tired of talking about it, Albert's tired of talking about it, [Mike] Shanahan's tired of talking about it. Everybody is. We want to move on to be a normal team in this league and not worry about individualism. ...We got a big game coming up and we can't be worrying about No. 92 right now and all this speculation."

"I don't care about all of that. I just worry [about] the Redskins right now. That's all we can worry about. There's always speculation about everything. I could be on the trading block, you never know. That's just the name of the game."

It's NOT that AH is distracting at work, or that MS is giving AH grief. It's the media's incessant dogging of the story. I realize it can eventually hurt the team, but this "distraction" is not about whether AH will play or not play, it's about "Is the media gonna ask about this sh** again :vomit:"

I doubt in the locker room the two men are sitting in MS' office smokin cigars, but I also doubt that they are evading each other, or pleading their case to the team. The attitude, in my belief, is we are here, there's the field, let's get it done. Now, I understand the definition of "let's get it done" is different for both men, but come Sunday night, there is only one definition for both, and that is to Beat the Dallas Cowboys.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Who cares anymore? And orakpo needs to understand that haynesworth started all this shit, he's the one who asked for a trade months ago . BA should have dumped him then, but for some reason I think shanny wants AH in Wsh.

I think Orakpo fully understands the situation, he's just speaking the truth and saying what's on his mind, that's all. I guarantee you if these guys are talking publicly about this, what they're saying behind closed doors is far worse.

But to an earlier point, myself and others have stated, this has now become a distraction for this football team. This is not some media hype or fan obsession blown out of proportion and the players haven't completely tuned it out either. The obvious loser in all of this is Albert Haynesworth. His legacy and respect, or lack thereof, around the league will be damaged for good. He can wave Canton bye bye. And by the way he's been playing lately, God, I don't see how this guy makes it to another Pro-Bowl.

But Shanahan shares some of the blame too. Not for Haynesworth's knuckleheadeness, but this tough guy don't tread on me attitude. I swear, we've gone from one extreme to the other with our last two coaches. One guy was so soft he couldn't give a half time speech. The other is such a hard ass players have rules about where to park their cars (or least that's the word on the street). Success is somewhere in the middle and Shanny, for all of his success in the past, has done a miserable job managing one prima dona. I wish we would cut the guy already.