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Old 11-20-2014, 09:44 PM   #301
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We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.
Allen is not even a real GM...but he acts like one.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:21 PM   #302
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That's interesting. Any idea why that was part of the agreement? Was he interested in doing so?

As I recall, he was so obviously out of his league (literally) by the end of his tenure here that he was being universally held out as the example of why not to hire a college coach.

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Old 11-20-2014, 10:37 PM   #303
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I wish somebody had PROOF that Snyder is telling the coaches who to start..but you know what..that proof does not exist..Snyder has not told Gruden who to start ..if so it would not have been the first time and how come no other head coach has come forward and told the media about anything like this…I will say I believe that Snyder has a hand in the Draft ..but that is a far cry from telling the coach who to play on sunday..I am not a Snyder fan but I don't believe he is coaching the team..THE COLD HARD FACT IS that RGIII is the best QB on the team and the head coach knows this..so if RGIII is the best we have ..we are in deep crap!! Colt is okay and most likely would have played better in the last two games BUT he is not the FUTURE of the team..there are a lot of theories about this teams problems but one thing for sure is …WE SUCK!!!
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We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.
Not business school but real business and RGIII is a special case. Snyder and Allen might not be wise to dictate to Gruden who he must start at QB but they have the authority to do so. And, yes, it would probably be a business decision and not a football decision. That's because The Washington Redskins franchise is not just about football - it is in the business of football.
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:09 AM   #305
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At this point it's not crazy to at least bring up the possibility. We're 3-7 and full of drama just like last year. Gruden hasn't solved any of our issues. He's part of the problem now.
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I wish somebody had PROOF that Snyder is telling the coaches who to start..but you know what..that proof does not exist..Snyder has not told Gruden who to start ..if so it would not have been the first time and how come no other head coach has come forward and told the media about anything like this…I will say I believe that Snyder has a hand in the Draft ..but that is a far cry from telling the coach who to play on sunday..I am not a Snyder fan but I don't believe he is coaching the team..THE COLD HARD FACT IS that RGIII is the best QB on the team and the head coach knows this..so if RGIII is the best we have ..we are in deep crap!! Colt is okay and most likely would have played better in the last two games BUT he is not the FUTURE of the team..there are a lot of theories about this teams problems but one thing for sure is …WE SUCK!!!

It is not illegal for owners to interject on the subject of who is playing and who is not. They do own the team. I would imagine coaches dont "come forward" and throw their owners under the bus mainly because they like their jobs.


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You are correct..but it gets tiring to keep hearing that Snyder is doing all this sort of like the great wizard of OZ behind the curtain. It would be nice to have the truth about who really makes the game day decisions..If in truth Snyder forced Gruden to start RGIII then I don't want Gruden around period..and if that is what is going on then This ship is doomed and no amount of players,draft picks will ever fix this mess..with all the coaches that have left here you would think at least one of them would have told the true story if there really is a story to be told..or maybe the SKINS are just like a lot of other teams they are just not very good ..look at Raiders,Jags,Jets,titans,Tampa and for years the Browns,lions..yes some of them are better now but the truth is a lot of teams have sucked for a long time..Not just the SKINS..the inability to lock down a really good QB is right now the Skins biggest foe..in this pass happy league with all the rules favoring the offense you have to have that field general that understands the game..we place to much on the physical aspect in truth the Mental side is way more important..that is why Colt played better than Robert..or Why cousins had brief success they actually understood what was going on..the only thing now we can hope for RGIII is that a light comes on and he starts to get it..if not we are searching again..
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Allen is not even a real GM...but he acts like one.
He's not a very good in-game replay challenge decider either.
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Not business school but real business and RGIII is a special case. Snyder and Allen might not be wise to dictate to Gruden who he must start at QB but they have the authority to do so. And, yes, it would probably be a business decision and not a football decision. That's because The Washington Redskins franchise is not just about football - it is in the business of football.
What happens on the field is still football. A game that takes skill. That is why we are all here as fans.....right? Not the $20 beer or $40 parking spot or the $1,000 seat....NOT the business. What matters most is winning a game.
When we have a Bussiness man and the son of a former coach picking our starters we will be a losing/terrible team and it will ruin the morale of the team. But we will have the most profitable team. Yay!
I do not want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Stick to what you do best and let the most qualified people do their jobs. It is that SIMPLE!

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He's not a very good in-game replay challenge decider either.

I would like to be an in game challenge decider when I grow up.


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I would like to be an in game challenge decider when I grow up.


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Grow up fast because the Skins really need you. I dont think they have had a single successful challenge this year.
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What happens on the field is still football. A game that takes skill. That is why we are all here as fans.....right? Not the $20 beer or $40 parking spot or the $1,000 seat....NOT the business. What matters most is winning a game.
When we have a Bussiness man and the son of a former coach picking our starters we will be a losing/terrible team and it will ruin the morale of the team. But we will have the most profitable team. Yay!
I do not want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Stick to what you do best and let the most qualified people do their jobs. It is that SIMPLE!
1. What matters most to us, as fans, is winning the next game. That is not necessarily true of an NFL owner. Dan Snyder may hope to build a winner but perhaps he expects it to take longer than we would like - AND I'm sure that he would like to do it with the very marketable RGIII as his QB.

2. Like you, I also don't want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start. Unfortunately for us, I'm pretty sure that Snyder and Allen don't care about our opinions on that matter. They will use their authority as they see fit.

What I'm trying to say to you is that you might as well accept that there is going to continue to be some degree of interference with Coach Gruden's plans by higher management.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:58 PM   #313
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I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff
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I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff


Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?



Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.
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Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?

Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.
I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.

This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.

If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.

I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.

It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.
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