Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

He signed him to a 1 year contract?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.

[MTK]

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

[Paintrain]

I was WAY wrong on this one. I thought that JT was going to be a stud coming off the end against right tackles. He was slow, got stood up way too much and wasn't a factor at all. He didn't seem like he enjoyed one minute of being a Redskin. I'm sure this will go down in the blunderous lore of the Deion Sanders era.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GMScud

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

Sheesh. It sounded good at the time. Boy do I feel dumb.

[MdBluefinCrab]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.

Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".

[SmootSmack]

What is this one year you're talking about? Taylor came to the Redskins with a 2 year deal carried over from the Dolphins

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is this one year you're talking about? Taylor came to the Redskins with a 2 year deal carried over from the Dolphins

Maybe he means that when all is said and done we're likely to have just gotten one year out of Taylor... and a very lousy year at that (?)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe he means that when all is said and done we're likely to have just gotten one year out of Taylor... and a very lousy year at that (?)

Yeah I know, but I don't know if he knows. Or if he really believes that we signed him for a one-year deal.

I hope Taylor comes back. He has a very limited injury history, and he showed his talent last year when healthy. I think we can get a good year out of him. We still need a run-stopper. Really liking Tyson Jackson these days, but not at #13

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

Well I was not one of them. This was an awful trade and IMO it should've costed Vinny his job. Parcells is no idiot and when he saw that Taylor wasn't training for the upcoming season, and was off in Hollywood on Dancing w/ The Stars he knew Taylor wasn't putting football first....so he got rid of him.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I know, but I don't know if he knows. Or if he really believes that we signed him for a one-year deal.

I hope Taylor comes back. He has a very limited injury history, and he showed his talent last year when healthy. I think we can get a good year out of him. We still need a run-stopper. Really liking Tyson Jackson these days, but not at #13

I agree. I mean I was all for the trade when it happened, at the time I thought we could be good enough and with a legit pass rusher we could go over the edge. I still think Taylor can play, and would like to see him here for a healthy season (cap willing)...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure why you are so hung up on what he did during his offseason but let's look at what he's done on the field. I think that speaks for itself.

The dancing thing is long over, he's going to show up ready to roll. He's always kept himself in great shape, there's a good reason why he's still such a high performer at his age.

As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.

Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.