Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[jdlea]

I have a question:

What if Steve Spurrier made this decision? Or anyone not named Gibbs...would you still be on board?

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life.

I don't mind questioning, but to say that you could make better decisions is rediculous. But it seems that the questioning always comes with jabs to Gibbs' credibility and competance.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I have a question:

What if Steve Spurrier made this decision? Or anyone not named Gibbs...would you still be on board?

Daseal has already asked me this off-board; my answer was yes. If the database hadn't crashed and we lost all the posts from 2003, you would have been able to go back and seen exactly what I said.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Joe Knows...

Last year WAS Brunells fault. In my opinion, he had a lot to do with it. Of coarse much also lays on the recievers and backs for all of their dropped passes.

But that was LAST YEAR. Last year is OVER! This is THIS YEAR! It's a completely different season and there are a lot of variables from how one player performs from one season to the next. So far, I like what I've seen from Brunell THIS SEASON, and I do not from Patrick, THIS SEASON.

I can tell you how much I loved Patrick LAST YEAR and how much I thought he would be the guy LAST YEAR, but that wouldn't change a dang thing. It's past, it's over, and it's a new day. THIS YEAR has been a completely different story so far than what we saw last year.

this year from Ramsey lasted 19 minutes. got a good look? if you're basing it on preseason then you're looking at a very incomplete picture. afterall it was preseason that put Brunell in to ruin all of last season.

[jdlea]

Really? Tell me you still think picking up Brunell was a good move. He's 3-6 as a starter. He got a 6 year, $42 million deal. Tell me what a good idea it was. I could have made a better personnel decision. That's right, I said it.

[cpayne5]

Look, I'm not saying that I would have made the same call, but I'm not the coach of a freakin NFL team! And neither is anyone else on this board.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life.

Agreed. Discussion boards wouldn't be very interesting if all there was to do was sit around and discuss how every decision made by our coach is wonderful, regardless of the outcome. At no point should ANYONE feel afraid to share their opinion for fear of being labeled "a fairweather fan." Look around folks, there aren't any fairweather fans left. The last few years have more than weeded them out. If people are on this board stating an opinion (aside from jokers like zackmills) it's because they love this TEAM. We all respect Joe Gibbs. If someone says they lost a little respect for his coaching ability because of a questionable personnel move, that's their right. Is Gibbs concerned with their respect? I'd say, probably not. Why should he be? But I don't think we should criticize anyone for sharing their opinions. Gibbs is a great coach. That's a proven fact by any metric. But he's not a deity. He can be questioned. I don't think anyone here claims to have more knowledge than Joe Gibbs. But that doesn't mean we can't share our opinions...

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

The arrogance you display in 'thinking for yourself' and questioning Gibbs makes you sound like you think you could run a team better than Gibbs, which I'd like to see.

Fail to see how I'm being "arrogant" simply because I choose to question this move by Gibbs. I've never blindly followed anyone and probably never will and that includes Presidents, Popes and, yes, football coaches.

Seems like you and I will never agree on this, but that's fine. Isn't that what this board is all about anyway - the chance to talk about the Skins and, yes, disagree on some things?

Or is anyone who doesn't always agree 100% with decisions made by the Skins staff not welcome here?

[jdlea]

I have a question for everybody:

Do you question the President?

Because we can't possibly know more about running the country than Bush. No one can say they've never been like "Damn, Bush is f*ckin up" or Clinton or Old Bush.

[cpayne5]

Quit playing the n00b/minority-opinion card. This site has never been about that, as you'll learn if you stick around. Like I said, I have no problem w/ differing opinions.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And where did I say that I'm more abreast of the situation than Gibbs?

What I DID say is that I'm not afraid to question his decisions, if I don't agree with them. Apparently, there are many on this board who are ready to cannonize Gibbs, regardless of how the team is now performing. Guess I'm not one of those people - I prefer to think for myself.

Gibbs' 3 rings were achieved many, many years ago. The game is very different now and so is this Redskins team. The glory years are but a distant memory, unfortunately.

I was hoping that Gibbs could lead us back to future days of glory, but he took a giant step backwards yesterday, in my opinion.

Will I always love and root for the Skins? Absolutely.

Does that mean that I can't question those decisions that are made by the staff? Of course not.

Gibbs is not infallible, but I guess the proof will be in the pudding. If Brunell suddenly takes us on a winning streak, I will be very happy. But, something tells me that this is not going to happen.

Sweetheart, no one is saying Gibbs is infallible and certainly to a man or woman, we have all disagreed with some decision Joe Gibbs has made. Just refer to the thread of the most recent roster cuts. Everyone's opinion varied somewhere.

But the thing we all have to see here is though we say that the Super Bowls were many, many years ago and the glory days are something of the past - it's that same powerful past and those same glory days that has endeared us all to this franchise. Yes, the glory days are in the past and yes the Super Bowls were many, many years ago, but please don't minimize or diminish in any way those huge accomplishments and great tradition of winning because they are most definitely in one way or another connected to the very reason we are talking about the Redskins on this thread in the first place.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I have a question for everybody:

Do you question the President?

Because we can't possibly know more about running the country than Bush. No one can say they've never been like "Damn, Bush is f*ckin up" or Clinton or Old Bush.

This has no place here and is liable to start another riot.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

This has no place here and is liable to start another riot.

That's not true. If you can question the president why can't you question Gibbs. I'm not saying anything about my feelings toward the president, I'm simply saying if you can question the President of the United States you can question the Head Coach of the Washington Redskins, whoever that may be.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Look, I'm not saying that I would have made the same call, but I'm not the coach of a freakin NFL team! And neither is anyone else on this board.

quick question cpayne, how many games would you have let Brunell keep losing last season when you had a healthy young backup with experience right there?

actually one more, why focus all your practice snaps with the new offense on a backup you had no intention of giving a real chance in the regular season?

Gibbs says so himself, these decisions are mostly based on his instinct, just like last year and we saw the results of that. is it feasible that Gibbs' instincts could be rusty after 11 years? it was rusty for Vermeil. you probably knew more current NFL players than Gibbs last year believe it or not, it's OK to question him especially this early in his comeback. he's mortal

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sweetheart, no one is saying Gibbs is infallible and certainly to a man or woman, we have all disagreed with some decision Joe Gibbs has made. Just refer to the thread of the most recent roster cuts. Everyone's opinion varied somewhere.

But the thing we all have to see here is though we say that the Super Bowls were many, many years ago and the glory days are something of the past - it's that same powerful past and those same glory days that has endeared us all to this franchise. Yes, the glory days are in the past and yes the Super Bowls were many, many years ago, but please don't minimize or diminish in any way those huge accomplishments and great tradition of winning because they are most definitely in one way or another connected to the very reason we are talking about the Redskins on this thread in the first place.

I would never diminish or minimize those glory days. They were the best of times for Skins fans and I would dearly love to see them repeated.

But, since then, we've had nothing but misery (in varying degrees) and I fear more of the same this season. QB is the most important position on the team and I do not believe that Brunell will ever take us back to the playoffs. With Ramsey, I feel we at least had a chance and maybe, in the future, the rookie will get us there. But not MB, not this season, not ever.

BTW - I'm already someone else's "sweetheart", babycakes.