Seems like Cutler might be available.

[mredskins]

^ NO makes to much sense! I won't beleive it.

[GTripp0012]

None of this is because Jay Cutler isn't a good quarterback. He is. The Denver offense around him isn't exactly the most impressive passing offense we've ever seen.

But the Redskins are a team with a weak OL and no go-to receiver. The QB and Running game is pretty much all this team has.

[GTripp0012]

BHA,

Jason Campbell Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Jay Cutler Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'm not making this up when I say they look very, very similar statistically. You can see for yourself. You just have to stop looking at it from the ABC (anyone but Campbell) mentality to see that Cutler is not a significant upgrade, and that we need to fix the problems around the quarterback to get pro-bowl type production.

[MTK]

Any good QB needs a good cast to be successful. If you took Brady or Manning and put them on the Bengals, they would struggle. Hell just look at Carson Palmer and the nosedive he's taken there. As the team has fallen apart so has his game.

I don't know why some think you can just plug a new QB in the same situation and expect drastically different results.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Any good QB needs a good cast to be successful. If you took Brady or Manning and put them on the Bengals, they would struggle. Hell just look at Carson Palmer and the nosedive he's taken there. As the team has fallen apart so has his game.

I don't know why some think you can just plug a new QB in the same situation and expect drastically different results.

I do know if Campbell made decisions as fast and released the ball as fast as Cutler, we'd have won more games last year. Campbell holds on to the ball far too long. Our offensive line declined last year but it was still above average. Campbell simply takes too long to make decisions and holds on to the ball too long. He's had the same problem in every system he's ever been in. Its unreasonable to think he's going to change all of a sudden. I

ts going to take YEARS to rebuild our offensive line so that its dramatically better than the one we had last year. So what do we do? keep a slow quarterback 3-4 years and hope when our lines better he can finally be a franchise QB? Or simply find a guy know who can make quicker decisions to compensate for your line?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I do know if Campbell made decisions as fast and released the ball as fast as Cutler, we'd have won more games last year. Campbell holds on to the ball far too long. Our offensive line declined last year but it was still above average. Campbell simply takes too long to make decisions and holds on to the ball too long. He's had the same problem in every system he's ever been in. Its unreasonable to think he's going to change all of a sudden. Its going to take YEARS to rebuild our offensive line so that its dramatically better than the one we had last year. So what do we do? keep a slow quarterback 3-4 years and hope when our lines better he can finally be a franchise QB? Or simply find a guy know who can make quicker decisions to compensate for your line?

It's also unreasonable to think that

a.) Campbell is the only problem the team has (which ppl arguing for Cutler make it look he is).

b.) Trading for Campbell and bringing Cutler is not going to affect the locker room.

c.) Cutler is going to make an immediate difference when he needs to learn the system, is not accustomed to our WRs, and needs to develop a rapport with Zorn (things that Campbell is expected to accomplish since...wait for it...he's in the SAME offense for the 2nd year in a row!).

[MTK]

Well by year's end we'll know if JC is the real deal or not. Until then this debate is kinda silly considering the chance of Cutler coming here is pretty much zero.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well by year's end we'll know if JC is the real deal or not. Until then this debate is kinda silly considering the chance of Cutler coming here is pretty much zero.

Do you really think if Campbell improves to the point where he garners pro-bowl votes next year, that the haters are suddenly going to be nowhere to be found?

*We* already know what we have in Campbell. *They* are still hating anyway. And for Jay Cutler, none-the-less.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do you really think if Campbell improves to the point where he garners pro-bowl votes next year, that the haters are suddenly going to be nowhere to be found?

*We* already know what we have in Campbell. *They* are still hating anyway. And for Jay Cutler, none-the-less.

It sure would be interesting to see what happens.

My guess is if he was a Pro Bowl type of QB people will either shut up, admit they were wrong and jump on the bandwagon, or insist they are still correct, kinda like offiss-style and his Portis hating (he's a 3rd down back LOL)

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do you really think if Campbell improves to the point where he garners pro-bowl votes next year, that the haters are suddenly going to be nowhere to be found?

*We* already know what we have in Campbell. *They* are still hating anyway. And for Jay Cutler, none-the-less.

Won't make a difference who the Qb is, I suspect we will have the same record or a game +/- difference. We acquired Haynesworth, but have a ton of holes to plug up in terms of both starting talent and depth. What is with using the term hate anyway? Folks not thinking JC is going to get the job done, doesn't mean they hate him. Hate is an extreme emotion to have for a decent QB. That being said, I don't think Campbell is going to improve all that much. He has been in the league for 6 seasons and still has some of the quirks that rooks have. The different schemes that have been thrown at him would be a factor, but it is his mechanics that are under scrutiny, thus the offensive scheme is only a partial factor. Also, a QB is only as good as the guys around him. Our Wr corp are a bunch of underachievers minus Moss. Our line is suspect and Clinton is getting pounded on as the long seasons progress. We will address this via the draft I am sure, but do you think rooks are going to be playing like all pros their initial season? Cutler is not the answer, but face it we have been at this game since we drafted Schuler, putting our hopes in a young stud only to find out he doesn't have what it takes to be the next Theismann, Schraeder, or Rypien. I don't hate JC at all, I begged Gibbs to start him ASAP, just like I was glad Ramsey was drafted and thought he could get the job done. JC might surprise us so called "haters", but I had hope in Frerotte, Ramsey, and now JC and they have been average thus far. 2009 should be it for the JC experiment. If he produces finally, all bets are off and maybe we have found our man, but thus far I can't say that I am overly confident that is going to happen.

[GTripp0012]

And before you inevitably chide Campbell for the mythical "locking onto WRs" criticism:

Brandon Marshall led the NFL in targets last year.

[JoeRedskin]

Dear God, is this thread still going???

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Dear God, is this thread still going???

Until the Cutler situation is cleared up I see no end to the mindless speculation and wacky trade scenarios.

[CRedskinsRule]

[53Fan]

That's good.