how do we keep Gregg Williams???

MTK · 11-01-2004, 09:38 AM

Williams is an emotional guy, I wouldn't look too far into things. He's frustrated just like everyone else.

SUNRA · 11-01-2004, 10:29 AM

I think this issue was discussed between Gibbs and Williams in the beginning. After Marvin Lewis's departure, Snyder certainly wasn't letting that happen. Greg Blache has a lot to do with the success of the defense too. We need to keep this team together for another season and we're looking at a Superbowl contender.

FRPLG · 11-01-2004, 10:40 AM

He makes a ton of dough but most likely would get a competitive offer if he got one at all. I would think though that he'd would be low on people's list based on the Buffalo experience. I certainly think he'll get another shot down the road if he wants one but I don't think one year removed from Buffalo anyone will be jumping all over him. He may not want the chance anyways...who knows. Remember with Lewis too...the league is hot for getting minority coaches hired (which they should be) so Lewis was never going to be here long since he was such a respected coach. The NFL was going to figure out a way to get him a HC job. I think he has redeemed himself well in Cincy too. No one will be doing Gregg any favors since he already got his chance. Everyone seems enamroed with him being groomed as our next head coach but I am not sold in any way. He is GREAT def coordinator. Pettibone was a GREAT D coordinator....Norv was a GREAT o coordinator...there are plenty of guys who are great coordinators who make lousy head coaches. Williams already showed what he was capable of. Now the question is whether there were situational problems or was it a fundamental problem with his leadership. Who knows...not for me to judge since I wasn't there.

BossHog · 11-01-2004, 03:55 PM

G. Williams is the best coach for us when Gibbs decides to depart. We don't need any more 'outsiders' heading the team. Could it be that the reason the Bills sucked back then just as they suck right now is because of Bledsoe? Bledsoe probably would have held NE back from winning it all before he was canned!

SkinsRock · 11-01-2004, 04:30 PM

I don't think we have to worry about Williams leaving any time soon. He has said that he will be here as long as Gibbs....and if that holds true, I'd expect him to be his successor.
Now losing Blache or the other defensive assistants is another story... Blache has done wonders with Griffen and the rest of our "no-name D-line" and I could see another team trying to snatch him up as a "real" D coordinator.

Tahoe Skin · 11-01-2004, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

One thing that worries me is I've seen him walk away from Gibbs looking absolutely disgusted. Especially with clock management issues. Just hope there's not a rift between those two coaches.

Yes, I've noticed that too.

SkinsRock · 11-01-2004, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

One thing that worries me is I've seen him walk away from Gibbs looking absolutely disgusted. Especially with clock management issues. Just hope there's not a rift between those two coaches.

I haven't seen any of this since the first couple games. Gibbs hadn't done it in 12 years, so his game management skills were rusty, but he has gotten much better the last few games.

That Guy · 11-01-2004, 09:32 PM

GW may have sucked in buffalo cause the FO left him hamstrung (don't know, wasn't there), or wouldn't let him do what he felt needed to be done... the first thing he told gibbs was that he needed a list of concessions or it wasn't happening, and he got them...

sportscurmudgeon · 11-04-2004, 05:47 PM

1. A colleague tells me that Williams gets $1.8M per year as a base salary with some incentives. Winning the Super Bowl does not look like one he is going to cash in on this year but having the defense ranked in the top five in yards and ranked in the top five in scoring look as if they are within reach. So, let's say in round numbers he gets $2M this year as a coordinator. After a spin in Buffalo where he won an average of about 5 games a year, I don't think he's going to get a boatload of offers that dwarf $2M per. Please recall that the departed but hardly lamented Steve Spurrier won 5 games last year...

2. There are LOTS of defensive coordinators who have been REALLY good at their job who were less than wonderful as head coaches. So far, Gregg Williams falls in that category, so I am not salivating at the idea that he might be "being groomed" as the next head coach here. Consider please:

A. Buddy Ryan
B. Richie Pettibon
c. Ray Rhodes
D. Wade Phillips
E. Vince Tobin
F. Dick LeBeau

3. Yes, I do know that Bill Belichick was a defensive coordinator so you need not point it out here. Anhd please note that I did not put Tony Dungy on the list because I really don't think he was that great as a coordinator and I don't think he is just awful as a head coach either.

4. Greg Blache was the defensive coordinator for the Bears for a couple of years. The Bears defesne was mediocre with him there - nothing more than that. He got into a tussle with the Chicago press because they questioned him about why the Bears got so few sacks and shouldn't they blitz more. Blache said that "sacks were overrated" or something very close to that. He was a combination of a punching bag/laughing-stock after that.

5. Skins' coaches are paid waaay above the league norms. Williams is making $1,8M base salary. Mike Tice is HC in Minny and makes $1M this year with incentives. Del Rio in Jax makes $1.4M with incentives. Capers in Houston is making $1,8M this year (his 3rd year) with the Texans. If a coach leaves here, it won't be for the money; it will be for "something else".

saden1 · 11-05-2004, 03:44 AM

sportscurmudgeon, great post!

rickmmrr · 11-05-2004, 08:56 AM

He's got a really sweet deal here and it looks like he really enjoys what he's doing. Plus I'm sure Gibbs discussed long term commitment to him before he signed on.

DragoJT87 · 11-05-2004, 06:27 PM

He seems to be the protoge. Gibbs has brought him along, made him asst. head coach, and I think, when Gibbs is done, GW will take over. As far as tis season goes, he has been the most productive coach on the sideline. Perhaps, Snyder sees that as HC potential.

SmootSmack · 11-07-2004, 11:25 AM

I still have this feeling, and I have no basis for it it's just a gut feeling, that somehow Gibbs will have Russ Grimm on his staff maybe as early as next year and Grimm is going to be a possibble successor

illdefined · 11-07-2004, 11:34 AM

Gibbs and Williams couldn't look or behave more differently on the sideline. different philosphies?

kingerock · 11-07-2004, 12:08 PM

3 words: Assistant Head Coach.

I think a successful Skins franchise for the next several seasons and a Superbowl win (hopefully) will see Gibbs retire in 4-5 seasons and see Williams take the helm.

But on the other hand I can't blame him for the offensive mess in Buffalo. It's still happening with an "offensive minded" coach. I think there are probably some off the field issues there AND in Oakland.

11-01-2004, 10:29 AM	#17
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	I think this issue was discussed between Gibbs and Williams in the beginning. After Marvin Lewis's departure, Snyder certainly wasn't letting that happen. Greg Blache has a lot to do with the success of the defense too. We need to keep this team together for another season and we're looking at a Superbowl contender. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

11-04-2004, 05:47 PM	#24
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	1. A colleague tells me that Williams gets $1.8M per year as a base salary with some incentives. Winning the Super Bowl does not look like one he is going to cash in on this year but having the defense ranked in the top five in yards and ranked in the top five in scoring look as if they are within reach. So, let's say in round numbers he gets $2M this year as a coordinator. After a spin in Buffalo where he won an average of about 5 games a year, I don't think he's going to get a boatload of offers that dwarf $2M per. Please recall that the departed but hardly lamented Steve Spurrier won 5 games last year... 2. There are LOTS of defensive coordinators who have been REALLY good at their job who were less than wonderful as head coaches. So far, Gregg Williams falls in that category, so I am not salivating at the idea that he might be "being groomed" as the next head coach here. Consider please: A. Buddy Ryan B. Richie Pettibon c. Ray Rhodes D. Wade Phillips E. Vince Tobin F. Dick LeBeau 3. Yes, I do know that Bill Belichick was a defensive coordinator so you need not point it out here. Anhd please note that I did not put Tony Dungy on the list because I really don't think he was that great as a coordinator and I don't think he is just awful as a head coach either. 4. Greg Blache was the defensive coordinator for the Bears for a couple of years. The Bears defesne was mediocre with him there - nothing more than that. He got into a tussle with the Chicago press because they questioned him about why the Bears got so few sacks and shouldn't they blitz more. Blache said that "sacks were overrated" or something very close to that. He was a combination of a punching bag/laughing-stock after that. 5. Skins' coaches are paid waaay above the league norms. Williams is making $1,8M base salary. Mike Tice is HC in Minny and makes $1M this year with incentives. Del Rio in Jax makes $1.4M with incentives. Capers in Houston is making $1,8M this year (his 3rd year) with the Texans. If a coach leaves here, it won't be for the money; it will be for "something else". __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-07-2004, 11:25 AM	#28
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I still have this feeling, and I have no basis for it it's just a gut feeling, that somehow Gibbs will have Russ Grimm on his staff maybe as early as next year and Grimm is going to be a possibble successor __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-07-2004, 12:08 PM	#30
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 48 Posts: 360	3 words: Assistant Head Coach. I think a successful Skins franchise for the next several seasons and a Superbowl win (hopefully) will see Gibbs retire in 4-5 seasons and see Williams take the helm. But on the other hand I can't blame him for the offensive mess in Buffalo. It's still happening with an "offensive minded" coach. I think there are probably some off the field issues there AND in Oakland. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

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11-01-2004, 09:38 AM	#16
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Williams is an emotional guy, I wouldn't look too far into things. He's frustrated just like everyone else.

11-01-2004, 10:40 AM	#18
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	He makes a ton of dough but most likely would get a competitive offer if he got one at all. I would think though that he'd would be low on people's list based on the Buffalo experience. I certainly think he'll get another shot down the road if he wants one but I don't think one year removed from Buffalo anyone will be jumping all over him. He may not want the chance anyways...who knows. Remember with Lewis too...the league is hot for getting minority coaches hired (which they should be) so Lewis was never going to be here long since he was such a respected coach. The NFL was going to figure out a way to get him a HC job. I think he has redeemed himself well in Cincy too. No one will be doing Gregg any favors since he already got his chance. Everyone seems enamroed with him being groomed as our next head coach but I am not sold in any way. He is GREAT def coordinator. Pettibone was a GREAT D coordinator....Norv was a GREAT o coordinator...there are plenty of guys who are great coordinators who make lousy head coaches. Williams already showed what he was capable of. Now the question is whether there were situational problems or was it a fundamental problem with his leadership. Who knows...not for me to judge since I wasn't there.

11-01-2004, 03:55 PM	#19
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	G. Williams is the best coach for us when Gibbs decides to depart. We don't need any more 'outsiders' heading the team. Could it be that the reason the Bills sucked back then just as they suck right now is because of Bledsoe? Bledsoe probably would have held NE back from winning it all before he was canned!

11-01-2004, 04:30 PM	#20
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	I don't think we have to worry about Williams leaving any time soon. He has said that he will be here as long as Gibbs....and if that holds true, I'd expect him to be his successor. Now losing Blache or the other defensive assistants is another story... Blache has done wonders with Griffen and the rest of our "no-name D-line" and I could see another team trying to snatch him up as a "real" D coordinator.

11-01-2004, 09:32 PM	#23
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	GW may have sucked in buffalo cause the FO left him hamstrung (don't know, wasn't there), or wouldn't let him do what he felt needed to be done... the first thing he told gibbs was that he needed a list of concessions or it wasn't happening, and he got them...

11-05-2004, 03:44 AM	#25
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	sportscurmudgeon, great post!

11-05-2004, 08:56 AM	#26
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	He's got a really sweet deal here and it looks like he really enjoys what he's doing. Plus I'm sure Gibbs discussed long term commitment to him before he signed on.

11-05-2004, 06:27 PM	#27
DragoJT87 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: So. Md. Age: 44 Posts: 32	He seems to be the protoge. Gibbs has brought him along, made him asst. head coach, and I think, when Gibbs is done, GW will take over. As far as tis season goes, he has been the most productive coach on the sideline. Perhaps, Snyder sees that as HC potential.

11-07-2004, 11:34 AM	#29
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Gibbs and Williams couldn't look or behave more differently on the sideline. different philosphies?

how do we keep Gregg Williams???

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