FoxSports: Ranking the NFL: Insider grading on every franchise

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why does the quarterback get factored into organizational rankings? Is he supposed to transcend the rest of the team or something?

I didnt understand why the QB got its own category. I also found that puzzling.

I did like the article because of how it factored in not just players but Owners/FO/Coaching into a ranking of the top franchises. I do think it is pretty easy to see which teams are well run and that have talent (Steelers, Patriots) compared to the teams that have problems from the top down like the (Lions, Bengals). So I think he did go overboard by ranking the 8 different categories on a 1-10 scale.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The off-season is long and painful, but we will survive.

I sure hope so, all I can say is I'm just glad I will be busy with working at camps and other stuff.. Enough to make me to stay away from football for a while, or I would be gone insane with this all football nonsenses..

I like the efforts some guys re trying to make the off season more "fun", like Orakpo is.. But it's not same

[Daseal]

People get too high and low based on the opinions of other people. I happen to be an Adam Schein fan, I remember last season he told VC to his face he didn't see the Redskins making the playoffs or winning more than 6 games that year. Turns out he was pretty damn close to correct, but early on in the season he said he was flat out wrong.

Listen, they're predictions. If anyone was really, really good at them, they'd be in Vegas, not working for a magazine or sitting on a message board. During the offseason most everything is based off the previous season. People like to read that type of stuff, where does my team rank! Then they read it and if they're not high enough, cry about how we don't get respect. Something I truly don't understand as a Redskins fan -- what the hell have we done over the past 10 years to deserve any respect in the offseason.

All I want is for this team to go out on the field, win games, and go to the playoffs on a regular basis. Then we can complain about not getting respect or being ranked low. Until the Redskins prove the critics wrong, I can't fault the critics for questioning us.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

People get too high and low based on the opinions of other people. I happen to be an Adam Schein fan, I remember last season he told VC to his face he didn't see the Redskins making the playoffs or winning more than 6 games that year. Turns out he was pretty damn close to correct, but early on in the season he said he was flat out wrong.

This is not a prediction that can be "close to correct." It's a hard range. Once the team wins it's 7th game, the prediction becomes 100% incorrect.

But the point is the article is based on a retarded premise, and was a complete waste of time, not that he was wrong, necessarily. Smart people will make incorrect predictions all the time. A smart person would not have even attempted to publish something like this. Just turn it into a subjective list. That's all it is anyway.

[Daseal]

Gtripp, his prediction also said 'miss the playoffs' which we did. I don't think the author considers it any more than a subjective list. Any time you do something like this, that is all it can be. He's putting his opinion down based on what he's seen in the NFL. In the grand scheme of NFL predictions, I consider +/- 2 games pretty solid if you can do it relatively regularly.

I just can't get up in arms. People say we should be 12th? Based on what. I would love to see your list. A team that has made the playoffs twice in 10 years being 12th? I guess I just don't understand why people feel like the Redskins are constantly being slighted. Here's an idea, win and we'll stop being overlooked. It's that whole you have to earn respect type deal.

[Missin21]

I like grapes....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Gtripp, his prediction also said 'miss the playoffs' which we did. I don't think the author considers it any more than a subjective list. Any time you do something like this, that is all it can be. He's putting his opinion down based on what he's seen in the NFL. In the grand scheme of NFL predictions, I consider +/- 2 games pretty solid if you can do it relatively regularly.

I just can't get up in arms. People say we should be 12th? Based on what. I would love to see your list. A team that has made the playoffs twice in 10 years being 12th? I guess I just don't understand why people feel like the Redskins are constantly being slighted. Here's an idea, win and we'll stop being overlooked. It's that whole you have to earn respect type deal.

I'm glad that he was able to accurately forecast that we would be one of 20 teams to miss the playoffs. That's difficult to do, you know

The last two years, I had the Redskins at 10-6, and then 8-8 preseason. So I missed by one game in two years. Schein missed by at least two games last year, but if you read between the lines, he probably missed by 3 or 4. When you predict a team "will not win more than 6 games", you probably aren't predicting a 6-10 season.

+/- 2 games is good accuracy in baseball. In football, it's not even outside the statistical definition of random chance, at least in between 6 and 10 victories (i.e. predicting a 2-14 team would win 4 games is a much better prediction than calling a 10-6 team to win 8 games). Saying he was close on us last year is being incredibly charitable with your definition of close. He missed badly. It's not a crime, it's just a bad prediction.

You know, the Redskins have made the playoffs 3 out of 10 times since 1999. Out of 32 teams (31 of which have competed in all ten seasons, the other has yet to make the postseason) playoff berth frequency is as follows:

*denotes SB winner

9 - Colts*
7 - Eagles
6 - Pats*, Bucs*, Titans, Steelers*, Seahawks, Giants*
5 - Packers, Rams*, Ravens*
4 - Jets, Dolphins, Chargers, Broncos, Vikings, Cowboys
3 - Redskins, Panthers, Falcons, Bears, Raiders, Jaguars
2 - Saints, Chiefs, 49ers
1 - Bills, Browns, Bengals, Cardinals, Lions
0 - Texans [7 years]

Lions and Bills tie for the longest playoff drought, followed by the Texans, and then the 49ers, Raiders, and Browns tie for third.

17 teams can sport more playoff appearances in the last ten years than the Redskins, or roughly half the league. But I threw in the SB winner distribution to show that all the SB winners of the past ten years are consistently in the playoffs, and that the difference between the 4 appearance teams and 3 appearance teams may just be chance. It's not like the Dolphins or the Vikings have been a consistently better team over the last ten years than the Redskins. They've just been to the playoffs one additional time.

So you want a list where the Redskins are a top 12 organization?

1) Colts
2) Eagles
3) Pats
4) Steelers
5) Giants
6) Bucs
7) Titans
8) Seahawks
9) Ravens
10) Rams
11) Packers
12) Redskins

Unless you are going to put the Cowboys or Chargers ahead of us...and even if you do, couldn't one argue that the Rams should lose some steam for being extra dysfunctional since the SB loss in 2001?

Look, the distribution makes my point clear: the average NFL organization has been to the playoffs 3-4 times in the past 10 years. The best of the best are there consistently, and no SB winner since 1999 has been there less than half the time. So, I don't think anyone is trying to argue we're elite, but once you get outside the ten best teams, we "win" as much as anyone else does.

[GTripp0012]

This just hit me: if someone predicted that, in 2008: "the Redskins will win 10 or more games, and will not pick in the top ten in the 2009 draft," they were just as correct in their prediction as Adam Schein was. Yet, Daseal feels that he was pretty darn close. Ergo, bolded prediction would also have to be pretty darn close. For consistent principals sake.

[MTK]

Schein is a dope.

[irish]

Anywhere in the low to mid 20s seems about right. This is a bottom third of the league team but there are a few teams worse.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

People get too high and low based on the opinions of other people. I happen to be an Adam Schein fan, I remember last season he told VC to his face he didn't see the Redskins making the playoffs or winning more than 6 games that year. Turns out he was pretty damn close to correct, but early on in the season he said he was flat out wrong.

Listen, they're predictions. If anyone was really, really good at them, they'd be in Vegas, not working for a magazine or sitting on a message board. During the offseason most everything is based off the previous season. People like to read that type of stuff, where does my team rank! Then they read it and if they're not high enough, cry about how we don't get respect. Something I truly don't understand as a Redskins fan -- what the hell have we done over the past 10 years to deserve any respect in the offseason.

All I want is for this team to go out on the field, win games, and go to the playoffs on a regular basis. Then we can complain about not getting respect or being ranked low. Until the Redskins prove the critics wrong, I can't fault the critics for questioning us.

I read your posts, and then I read your sig...and, in the words of Bart Simpson, the ironing is delicious.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm glad that he was able to accurately forecast that we would be one of 20 teams to miss the playoffs. That's difficult to do, you know

The last two years, I had the Redskins at 10-6, and then 8-8 preseason. So I missed by one game in two years. ...

Great analysis man, bottom line, Skins need to go out and perform

[MTK]

Teams that I couldn't rank above the Skins that Schein does:

Jets, Bears, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, 49ers.

So I would have the Skins closer to 18 or so.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Teams that I couldn't rank above the Skins that Schein does:

Jets, Bears, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, 49ers.

So I would have the Skins closer to 18 or so.

I agree Matty, and I think at the most we should be ranked 11th. I think we are better than these teams: 49ers, Bills, Texans, Chiefs, Bears, Seahwaks, Vikings, Saints, Cowboys, Jets, Dolphins, and Cardinals. A few of these teams we beat last year(Saints, Cardinals, Seahawks) and I think we've had a better offseason than some others (Cowboys, Jets, Bills).

[SmootSmack]

The Falcons had a good year last year, but #6 seems pretty high for them in my opinion.