I think the Redskins should Go to A 3-4 Defense.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Daseal

T.O.Killa -- Look at Carters stats as a LB -- they weren't very good. He's good at DE, we should keep him here. If you really think Griff or Monty could play NT you're delusional. If we switch to a 3-4 we better get some 350 monster to anchor the Dline and eat up blocks.

It is hard to quantify those stats. I dont like him at DE or LB. one good year. I think that either defense would require about the same amount of new faces to make them good. The 3-4 is the superior defense, right now.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't think Carter liked playing LB.

I don't think Carter liked playing DE last year either.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I've been wanting to post this for a long time. Why dont the Redskins go to a 3-4 defense. It seems to be the dominant defense in the league and I think we have the players. Jason Taylor would be better siuted to it and we could have Golston and Evans play the ends and Monty play NT. Wilson could probably play some LB and maybe a Suggs in Free agency or a Dansby. What Do you guys think.

I think the biggest issue about going to the 3-4 is that none of the current coaches knows how to run/install it.

Greg Blache is a 4-3 guy the next man in the pecking order is Jerry Gray a
4-3 guy. I don't know about Olivadotti or Palermo background.

But, i agree we could run it. We ran a defense in the second Eagles game that looked alot like a 3-4, Blache just had JT55 stand up and roam around.

Hypothetically we could put:
LE Golston/Evans NT Monty/Griffin/Golston RE Alexander/Evans
LOLB-Carter/Rob Jackson ILB- Rocky ILB-Fletcher ROLB-JT/Wilson

Interesting post.

[MTK]

I feel like we have this conversation every offseason. What is the fascination with the 3-4??

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I feel like we have this conversation every offseason. What is the fascination with the 3-4??

weve been in essentially the same defense for nearly a decade (Lewis, Williams, and now Blache). People want something new for the sake of having something new. The only way i'd want the 3-4 here is if it meant we were getting rid of Blache for a defensive coordinator who isnt scared to attack. However, since our offense is in shambles and our defense is the only thing our team can consider a strength, id shudder to think of how bad we'd be in 2009 while transitioning to a 3-4.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

weve been in essentially the same defense for nearly a decade (Lewis, Williams, and now Blache). People want something new for the sake of having something new. The only way i'd want the 3-4 here is if it meant we were getting rid of Blache for a defensive coordinator who isnt scared to attack. However, since our offense is in shambles and our defense is the only thing our team can consider a strength, id shudder to think of how bad we'd be in 2009 while transitioning to a 3-4.

That's usually the case, and a pretty lame reason to me. If something works why blow it up and "fix it"?

[T.O.Killa]

The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.

Why would you completely change the only part of our team that has kept us from having a losing season 3 out of the past four seasons? Just because the two teams in the Superbowl have the 3-4 defense?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

No, No and No. It won't happen anyway, as Blache is a 4-3 guy. You don't change your system on O or D based on if a particular team has success (Steelers / Pats). They build their teams and coach their players from a 3-4 mindset. You don't just make that type of switch and expect success the near term. Our D was not bad last year, they couldn't get off the field in critical situations and lacked playmakers (related issue). But to make a wholesale change would be irresponsible and unsuccessful.

Out of the top 10 scoring defenses, 6 run a 4-3, Giants, Eagles, Titans, Redskins, Colts, Bucs. The 11-13 teams are all 4-3 teams (Falcons, Panthers, Vikes). San Diego made the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and played better down the stretch under this scheme.

We don't have the personnel to play the 3-4. You mentioned moving Taylor ($ 8M cap hit, best days are well behind him, 34 yrs. old, had 29 tackles last year @ $ +275K per tackle), Carter ($ 6.5M cap hit, 29 yrs. old and based on cap numbers probably won't be here in 2011, 37 tackles last year at approx $ 150K per tackle), Griff (32 yrs. old,27 tackles last year, will be a cap release this year or definitely next) or Montgomery (back-up) at NT, Daniels (35 & coming off major knee surgery), Evans (back-up), Gholston (back-up) at DEs. We would be in the bottom third of defenses and would get smashed like Mike Nolan's defenses when he was here.

We need to stay with our current scheme. Depending what happens in FA (probably nothing to help, Haynesworth will be too $$$ and could be a bust once he cashes a big check) and early in the draft if by some miracle BJ Raji falls to us that would be some help for the DL. It will really depend IMO if the top level OTs are gone and Raji is gone, we may be able to trade down and pick up a second rounder. In that case a Peria Jerry, Tyson Jackson or O-sack-po (although he would be better at RDE than LDE) could provide DL help and we would still have a 2nd rounder to spend on OL. However an Alex Mack or Max Unger might be a better first rounder and Jackson may still be there in the 2nd.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why would you completely change the only part of our team that has kept us from having a losing season 3 out of the past four seasons? Just because the two teams in the Superbowl have the 3-4 defense?

I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.

[mvb2328]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.

don't mess with a defense that is ranked 4th in the league!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I dont think our defense was a good as the stats. Our Offense was horrible. All any team had to do was score, and play concervative. I also think our talent is better siuted to it. We need a pass rush. Teams that have used the 3-4 for a long time, New England, and Pittsburg.

I wouldn't compare our defense with New England or Pittsburgh, b/c those teams actually have an offense that compliments their good defense (well in Pittsburgh's case, in New England's case they have a powerful offense that goes along with their good defense). But I think our defense is the reason we haven't had four straight losing seasons. Given our problems with the defensive line and our aging LB group, I think your assessment of having the talent suited to a 3-4 defense is flawed. Furthermore, our team needs to focus on the offensive line and is restricted by salary cap, aging veterans' contracts, and four draft picks. So you're being a bit ambitious with your proposal.

[skinsfan69]

We don't have the personel to run a 3-4. I don't see NT's like Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams on our roster and I sure as hell don't see pass rushers like Shawn Merriman, James Harrison or Demarcus Ware anywhere on our roster. We're fine playing a 4-3. We just need to draft a 4-3 end that can cause some havoc.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

The reason I like the 3-4 is that it seems to be winning more superbowls and we have a bunch of de that are realy LB size. We also have a bunch of DL that are tweeners in the 4-3. Like Daniels, Evans, and Alexander. I agree our coaches may not be the best fit. But Lewis certainly was able to run a 4-3 here and a 3-4 in Bmore, so maybe they can.

I don't think Marvin Lewis ran a 3-4 in Balt. When they won the SB in 2000 they ran a 4-3. Mike Nolan ran the 3-4.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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I don't think Marvin Lewis ran a 3-4 in Balt. When they won the SB in 2000 they ran a 4-3. Mike Nolan ran the 3-4.

I thought Baltimore always ran a 3-4.