Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Just to address these specifically.

-I think, just speculation, the reason they traded for Brunell instead of waiting for him to be released was to get him to camp before June

When did they sign Brunell? It was in March wasn't it? So how many OTAs and minicamps would he have missed by not being here until June? Either way, losing a 3rd round choice for extra couple of weeks or so with the playbook is awfully expensive, especially for a veteran who's seen his fair share of playbooks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When did they sign Brunell? It was in March wasn't it? So how many OTAs and minicamps would he have missed by not being here until June? Either way, losing a 3rd round choice for extra couple of weeks or so with the playbook is awfully expensive, especially for a veteran who's seen his fair share of playbooks.

Well he would have missed several wouldn't he? Plus remember since Gibbs was a "new" coach that year the Redskins got extra mini-camps per league rules. Personally, I liked the move to get Brunell though I think they may have been a bit too aggressive in their pursuit. I was just saying I think that was their line of thinking

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think the difference though is this. Joe Gibbs has nothing to prove anymore as a coach. People know he can lead a team to greatness on the field. He's done it numerous times and has proven to be one of the best in history at that. So him ceding control of calling plays, yeah it's a big deal but then again it's not really. But the jury is still out (though most have already cast their ballots "No") on whether he can put together a great team, particularly one that someone else could lead down the road. Gibbs is a great, loyal man and all that but remember he's also a competitor. And I think the competitor in him wants to show that he can have the same success putting together a team as he does leading a team. I really don't see Gibbs going the way of Holmgren and saying "Ok, I'll just go back to coaching only."

great post. I would agree but See T. Boswell's article from today's washpost, says Gibbs is open to hiring a gm.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

great post. I would agree but See T. Boswell's article from today's washpost, says Gibbs is open to hiring a gm.

I have this feeling that it will be more a ceremonial title than anything else. I mean I think the decisions will still go through Gibbs

[SmootSmack]

By the way, Scott Pioli's wife's name...Dallas

[gibbs4life]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's see...

• Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

• Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

• Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

• Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

• Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

• Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

• Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

• The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.

nascar is always an option and to me thats where it,s at now not the nfl..todays salary cap era and todays players don,t really mix to well with the way joe gibbs does things.(i,m not given up by any means).but a GM is necessary cause i would much rather see gibbs the coach take full control of playcaling with some new ideas to go along with his philosphy.
this team still today has too much baggage it needs to get rid of and in the front office and on the field.....

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's see...

• Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

• Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

• Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

• Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

• Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

• Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

• Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

• The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.

Nice post. But, in fairness, there have been significant good moves also:

- Passing on Jevon Kearse to sign Marcus Washington AND Cornelius Griffin.

- Trading picks to move up and obtain Cooley (Would he have been available? It's a crap shoot - but given his ability, certainly worth what we traded).

- Sean Taylor over Kellen Winslow.

- No signings last year except Rabach who has been a solid, if not stellar, player.

- Finding Golston in the latter rounds.

While I agree that it seems the misses have far outnumbered the hits, the hits have been pretty solid. Without a team by team analysis, its kinda unfair to say "We suck" in the personnel dept. The "Patriot Model" has been successful b/c they have had solid personnel and good coaching - but what about the other 30 teams? What is their track record (and PLEASE don't cite me the Eagles - When they win a Superbowl, let's talk).

My own preference would be for Gibbs to step back further and become the Jack Kent Cooke part of a management triumvarite (Gibbs, when appropriate, would then turn to Danny and say - "I need a check" to which Danny says "Yes sir!"). A head coach and general manager would be appointed, they would duke it out over personnel and Gibbs would make the final call.

Not saying that would happen, but, if Gibbs proposed it, Snyder would make it so.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I really don't think Gibbs would be so willing to cede control of picking players. It's what he wants to do

i dont know if coach gibbs would stop something that he thought would make the redskins better

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's see...

• Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

• Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

• Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

• Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

• Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

• Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

• Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

• The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.

MB saved HOF Coach Gibbs life the night they first met. HOF Saved!

CP - In excess of 1500 yards each of his first two seasons, with a PO win last year.

BL aka. Jr., give me a break, it's LDS's money! His team!

ARE - See BL above.

Rocky - He's a rook! Give the FO and GW a break. GW spots the rooks.
(Exception: Goldston, due to injuries)

AA was displaced by a rook on his last team. I knew it when the FO signed him in error. NO GM running the B&G ranch, however, and again, it's LDS's money. OK, a mistake on this one, but I knew it then in FA. Now we all know it.

D needs to be healthy all year. Problem solved. With Goldston, Montgomery, Rogers, and ST, we have youth. Health is needed, not gutting.

How do you "overestimate" a three time SB Champion, HOF Coach?

[MTK]

I really think that if Gibbs thinks a GM can come in and help, he will do it.

He's always open to trying new things if he thinks it's for the better of the team.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really think that if Gibbs thinks a GM can come in and help, he will do it.

He's always open to trying new things if he thinks it's for the better of the team.

I'm not so sure, I think he's trying to graduate to the front office when he gets done coaching. Maybe though, I just don't know.

[redsk1]

Yes, there have been some good pickups via the draft and FA but there have been alot of very questionable moves where we overpay and hurt our team.

I really think Joe G's will think long and hard about bringing in a GM over the winter. As the article says, he'll do anything at this point.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I have not been able to find any information on the net other than Pioli's contract was set to expire after the 2006 draft.

Does anyone know if he signed a long term extension with the Patriots?

If not is there any way the Redskins can get him?

I'm not sure signing Pioli would be a good thing. If a GM is gonna be brought in, i want one that has had experience with Gibbs and the way he works, so he understands the way Gibbs is trying to build his team, instead of some guy coming in and telling Gibbs how things are gonna be done.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's see...

• Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

• Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

• Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

• Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

• Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

• Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

• Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

• The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.

How about letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 61cad

How about letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go.

Clearly letting Ryan Clark go was a mistake for a lot of reasons. As for Walt, I don't think he counts as a mistake (there is a whole other thread on this topic). Just about everyone was ready to run him out on a rail last year and he was pretty craptacular at times. And on the other hand, how about the Coles for Moss trade? Anyone want to undo that one?

Again, the front office has had its hits and misses with the misses seeming to outnumber the hits in quantity and noticeability. I still think that we the FO (under Gibbs) has done some good things and that, while this year was clearly a step back, Gibbs did seem to learn from year one to year two. Maybe he will learn make a similar step forward next offseason.

As a final thought: Although this year's class of FA may be the worst since the Bruce Smith, et al. signings. It was still a different kind of bad in that all the guys signed to the expensive contracts were young guys. If they had panned out, we would of had good young talent in its prime for 3-4 years.