Skins vs Packers post game thread

[Hog1]

I'd feel better if we could arrange a return of Matt Millen to Detroit before the game.....

[HonoluluBlue]

We have the talent to win, sure, and on paper we should, but our entire CS has their heads up their collective butts when it comes to offensive playcallling. We have a QB with a monster arm and the best WR in the league, yet last Sunday it was all dink-and-dunk. We SHOULD light up your secondary like Independence Day but I don't think our OC will have the balls to call those kind of plays. Just put one safety deep on Calvin and all of a sudden it is nothing but two yard runs and five yard slant routes to Pettidrop.

Bush could make a big difference if he's 100%, though. I am just not feeling that great after losing to Carson Palmer.

[HonoluluBlue]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I'd feel better if we could arrange a return of Matt Millen to Detroit before the game.....

Well, guess who our current GM is? Millen's former right hand man.

I'd trade William Clay Ford for Dan Snyder, and I just threw up in my mouth a little as I typed that.

[SFREDSKIN]

The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12. This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by HonoluluBlue

Well, guess who our current GM is? Millen's former right hand man.

I'd trade William Clay Ford for Dan Snyder, and I just threw up in my mouth a little as I typed that.

And former Redskin.

[warriorzpath]

For those that are into numbers to confirm what you say- 283 YAC for the Packers.

Long and short of Rodgers' productivity - NFC North Blog - ESPN

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12. This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.

Probably not the talent.

Our secondary is a mess. Rookies and no true #1 CB is a huge red flag. CJ has the potential to destroy Josh Wilson or D. Hall 1 on 1. And yeah CJ could destroy most CBs out on the edge, but I'd feel more comfortable with a Richard Sherman type vs. a D. Hall.

Fletcher looks old and lost out in the middle of the field.

The only thing I feel comfortable is our front 4. They can bring the heat.

I'd say we have the potential to be middle of the field defensively right now. Not top 10 but within the top 20.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

For those that are into numbers to confirm what you say- 283 YAC for the Packers.

Long and short of Rodgers' productivity - NFC North Blog - ESPN

Tackling is a huge problem right now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12. This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.

I have to think that if Gregg Williams was running this defense, we would not be this bad. But I still think it's a talent issue. Some of the guys we have just aren't that good... Wilson, Fletcher, Cofield, Bowen, Goldston, Orakpo, Rambo, Doherty...these players are just not very good or not playing up to their capabilities. And father time has slapped Fletcher upside the head. He look so slow out there the last two weeks.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Probably not the talent.

Our secondary is a mess. Rookies and no true #1 CB is a huge red flag. CJ has the potential to destroy Josh Wilson or D. Hall 1 on 1. And yeah CJ could destroy most CBs out on the edge, but I'd feel more comfortable with a Richard Sherman type vs. a D. Hall.

Fletcher looks old and lost out in the middle of the field.

The only thing I feel comfortable is our front 4. They can bring the heat.

I'd say we have the potential to be middle of the field defensively right now. Not top 10 but within the top 20.

I agree.

It is better to get rid of a player a year early than a year late.

My opinion may be unpopular but I think we are a year late with Fletch. He's an awesome defensive QB...but that's about it.

[12thMan]

I'm going to remain positive and say it's only two games. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the defense being worse or better after just two games. It's a long season and the defense could turn out to be better than we think. In fact, I think it will. I've been hard on Orakpo for two years and haven't seen anything this year to change my mind.

In fact, I still stand by earlier comment that the defense played well (early on) vs Green Bay.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm going to remain positive and say it's only two games. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the defense being worse or better after just two games. It's a long season and the defense could turn out to be better than we think. In fact, I think it will. I've been hard on Orakpo for two years and haven't seen anything this year to change my mind.

In fact, I still stand by earlier comment that the defense played well (early on) vs Green Bay.

So regardless what the facts (missing hella tackles, letting QB set records, giving an avg of over 200 yards rushing, YAC totals that make me physically yack) your gonna stick with the defense played well?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So regardless what the facts (missing hella tackles, letting QB set records, giving an avg of over 200 yards rushing, YAC totals that make me physically yack) your gonna stick with the defense played well?

Yep.

No seriously, we were getting after it for a solid quarter then the game just got away from us. I'm not ready to write off this defense by any stretch of the imagination.

[MTK]

I have faith the D can turn it around, they did it last year with some key guys out, but facts are facts. The D has been straight up ass so far.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have to think that if Gregg Williams was running this defense, we would not be this bad. But I still think it's a talent issue. Some of the guys we have just aren't that good... Wilson, Fletcher, Cofield, Bowen, Goldston, Orakpo, Rambo, Doherty...these players are just not very good or not playing up to their capabilities. And father time has slapped Fletcher upside the head. He look so slow out there the last two weeks.

Would take Gregg Williams in a heartbeat over this defense, even now with his tarnished reputation. But realistically it'd never work. Shanny has been through a million D coordinators and doesn't get along with anyone. I think Haslett has kept his job because not many guys would work with Mike so who do you replace Haslett with?