V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

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Jackson can also practice with Redskins for the remaining weeks of his suspension,to learn the Offense and be ready for that packers game.

As I understand it, even if Jackson is traded, he can't practice or be at the facility of any team until after the 4th game.

That is part of why I don't see Minnesota getting him. Sidney Rice can come off the PUP at week six (if he is physically able to), so you only get VJ 1 week earlier, that's a lot to pay for a couple of weeks without Rice.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not cutting on you but some people have weird trade thoughts. I would presume the Skins would be trying to hook up with a team that runs the 4-3 and needs a DT in order to make AH happy and his new team. Thats if Tenn bails on us. Why would we send AH to any other team running a 3-4 knowing AH will not be happy and will stir the pot, and why would any team running the 3-4 like us want to pick him up knowing AH does not want to play in it?

So I'm guessing the Jets would not be our trading partner, or anyone else who utilizes the 3-4.

Probably not, but 3-4 schemes differ team to team so it can't be totally ruled out.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

As I understand it, even if Jackson is traded, he can't practice or be at the facility of any team until after the 4th game.

That is part of why I don't see Minnesota getting him. Sidney Rice can come off the PUP at week six (if he is physically able to), so you only get VJ 1 week earlier, that's a lot to pay for a couple of weeks without Rice.

I guess I've heard differently then...

I was told that Big Ben cannot practice with the team,but V.Jackson is able to practice with the team because of the type of suspension...

And the reason he's not practicing now,is because he's holding out for a new contract.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I guess I've heard differently then...

I was told that Big Ben cannot practice with the team,but V.Jackson is able to practice with the team because of the type of suspension...

And the reason he's not practicing now,is because he's holding out for a new contract.

I was under that impression too. I thought the no practice was exclusive to ben as well

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Probably not, but 3-4 schemes differ team to team so it can't be totally ruled out.

Still, the Haslet schme seems like the best one to give Haynesworth a chance to rush upfield and shoot gaps.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Still, the Haslet schme seems like the best one to give Haynesworth a chance to rush upfield and shoot gaps.

AND is it not rewarding to see BIG making such......large strides with it?

[CRedskinsRule]

From ESPN:

If Jackson is traded before Wednesday, he'll be allowed to report to the new club and, at the team's discretion, be eligible to participate in activities permitted by the substance abuse policy for the remainder of his suspension. When the DUI suspension ends, he'll be permitted to practice with his new team under the roster exempt rules before the fourth game, but will be unavailable to play and cannot be paid until the fifth game.

So it's a bit of a mix, but basically he can't practice until after the 3rd week, which would give him two weeks of on field practice with DMcNabb or where ever he goes.

I certainly would hope we would atleast make a shot at getting him.

[SBXVII]

Nothing says he can't get the play book and maybe even have a coach getting him caught up. The original suspension was 3 weeks away from any NFL facility, then 3 weeks before he could play in a game. All the NFL did was shorten his time to get on the field by one game. We pick him up hand him a play book, and have a position coach go over to his house after hours and coach him up via film. After week 3 he can show up and practice with the team so he can learn it but he's still not elligible to play for 2 weeks the whole time learning the offense and after game 5 he could hit the ground running.

The question is can the Skins get enough out of their WR's they have now to win games prior to VJ being able to play?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Nothing says he can't get the play book and maybe even have a coach getting him caught up. The original suspension was 3 weeks away from any NFL facility, then 3 weeks before he could play in a game. All the NFL did was shorten his time to get on the field by one game. We pick him up hand him a play book, and have a position coach go over to his house after hours and coach him up via film. After week 3 he can show up and practice with the team so he can learn it but he's still not elligible to play for 2 weeks the whole time learning the offense and after game 5 he could hit the ground running.

The question is can the Skins get enough out of their WR's they have now to win games prior to VJ being able to play?

Yes it does. If someone was going to get Jackson caught up it would have to be a player. The purpose of a suspension under the leagues personal conduct policy is to isolate a player from the team. Thats why they're not allowed to practice nor show up to the teams facilities while they're suspended. From what I understand, they can still stay in contact with their teammates and team doctors, but coaches are not allowed to talk to players serving suspensions.

Consider this, the Jets are currently being investigated because Rex Ryan visited Sanchez at an unofficial practice organized by Sanchez. The practice itself was legal but the coach being there was not. The NFL is very strict when it comes to matters like this.

Edit; Never mind. The terms of the suspension depends on the player and the nature of the crime. Santonio Holmes for example is simply banned from practice and regular season games. However he may participate in everything else. Ben Rothelisberger on the other hand is banned from the team facility.

New York Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes isn't banned from the team's headquarters while he serves a four-game suspension for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy.

Holmes is allowed to work out at the Jets' training complex and can attend team meetings, but isn't allowed to participate in practice sessions.

Jets coach Rex Ryan had said that Holmes wasn't allowed to have contact with coaches and was of the belief that Holmes would have to use Skype to talk with quarterback Mark Sanchez.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the New York Post that's not the case, though, for players serving under a year's suspension for violating the league's drug policy.

However, players who violate the steroid policy or the personal conduct policy such as the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger aren't allowed to go to the team facility or have contact with the team during their suspensions.

After reading this it looks like Vincent Jackson is in the same boat as Big Ben.

[jsarno]

I think what everyone is failing to see is that I'm sure we are interested in V.Jackson, however, I am confident the Chargers are overpricing him. He doesn't appear to want to ever play for San Diego again, nor do they want to sign him...so why would teams pay top dollar for a guy that will be released eventually? If San Diego really thinks he's that valuable, they should sign him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Yes it does. If someone was going to get Jackson caught up it would have to be a player. The purpose of a suspension under the leagues personal conduct policy is to isolate a player from the team. Thats why they're not allowed to practice nor show up to the teams facilities while they're suspended. From what I understand, they can still stay in contact with their teammates and team doctors, but coaches are not allowed to talk to players serving suspensions.

Consider this, the Jets are currently being investigated because Rex Ryan visited Sanchez at an unofficial practice organized by Sanchez. The practice itself was legal but the coach being there was not. The NFL is very strict when it comes to matters like this.

Edit; Never mind. The terms of the suspension depends on the player and the nature of the crime. Santonio Holmes for example is simply banned from practice and regular season games. However he may participate in everything else. Ben Rothelisberger on the other hand is banned from the team facility.



After reading this it looks like Vincent Jackson is in the same boat as Big Ben.

How can being a pothead not violate the personal conduct rules?

Oh well...

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I think what everyone is failing to see is that I'm sure we are interested in V.Jackson, however, I am confident the Chargers are overpricing him. He doesn't appear to want to ever play for San Diego again, nor do they want to sign him...so why would teams pay top dollar for a guy that will be released eventually? If San Diego really thinks he's that valuable, they should sign him.

I'm glad you asked that question, so I'll tell you the answer. If a team's owner thinks that his team can win the Super Bowl this year and if that owner has said that his franchise is "going all in" to win it this year and if that team has a 41 years old QB who is likely to be playing his last season and if that team's leading receiver is coming off of injury and if that team's other big play threat at WR has a debilitating condition that could keep him on the bench for long stretches, then that team might want to make the move.

The team I'm referring to is the Vikings, of course. With VJ, Rice, Harvin, and Shiancoe, the Vikings might have enough receiving targets for Brett Farve to get them through.

[CRedskinsRule]

Sidney Rice is aiming to be back by 17 Oct. VJ's first game would be the 11th of Oct. For that gain, is it worth a 2nd round pick to Minnesota? I just can't see it. If Rice's recovery isn't going well in the team's eyes then maybe it is, but I still would question it.

[Ade Jimoh Fan Club]

If we make a play on VJ it will be for two reasons:

1) McNabb vouches for him. VJ & McNabb train together in the offseason in Arizona, so McNabb has a good read on whether or not he's a talent or just product of the system. Plus, McNabb and VJ already have chemistry, which leads me to point #2

2) Games #5 & 6 this year are against GB and Indy. Kinda would be nice to have VJ to kick that stretch off - and the timing works out great for us.

I'm all for signing him - if, and only if, we don't sell the farm for him. He should not get Top Tier WR money (a la Fitzgerald, Moss, etc...), but about $6-7M/year would be reasonable.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Ade Jimoh Fan Club

If we make a play on VJ it will be for two reasons:

1) McNabb vouches for him. VJ & McNabb train together in the offseason in Arizona, so McNabb has a good read on whether or not he's a talent or just product of the system. Plus, McNabb and VJ already have chemistry, which leads me to point #2

2) Games #5 & 6 this year are against GB and Indy. Kinda would be nice to have VJ to kick that stretch off - and the timing works out great for us.

I'm all for signing him - if, and only if, we don't sell the farm for him. He should not get Top Tier WR money (a la Fitzgerald, Moss, etc...), but about $6-7M/year would be reasonable.

Well San Diego thinks this too and this is the reason why he's holding out.