Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

[53Fan]

Besides Childress being McNabbs first NFL QB's coach, Kevin Rogers the Viking's QB coach, was also his position coach at Syracuse. Supposedly when Childress went to visit Favre about playing next year, it was with McNabb in mind. Hmmm...

[Dirtbag59]

You might think this is business as usual. However whats surprising to me is that it was reported that people were going to be surprised at how much Russell had trimmed down. If he did then looks like he might have been the first 300+ pound QB since Jared Lorenzen.

JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 290 pounds when he reported for the Raiders' offseason program.

So Oakland can scratch left tackle off its list of needs. Russell was initially reported to weigh 271, but many close to the situation immediately doubted that report. Russell, annually and incredibly overweight, isn't doing anything to shed his emerging label as the biggest bust in NFL history.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Anyway maybe McNabb could be headed to Alcatraz, er I mean Oakland, weather he wants to not.

[MTK]

So much for him showing up slim and trim, what's up with that?

If I'm the Raiders I would just cut him. It's obvious the guy just isn't going to pan out. He's a bum.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You might think this is business as usual. However whats surprising to me is that it was reported that people were going to be surprised at how much Russell had trimmed down. If he did then looks like he might have been the first 300+ pound QB since Jared Lorenzen.



Anyway maybe McNabb could be headed to Alcatraz, er I mean Oakland, weather he wants to not.

I think he has the right to refuse a trade to any team he doesn't want to go to, but if they give him an extention and the moneys right..... I also heard Oakland is willing to give up Asomugha for him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So much for him showing up slim and trim, what's up with that?

If I'm the Raiders I would just cut him. It's obvious the guy just isn't going to pan out. He's a bum.

Thing is Russell had apparently ballooned to 305 lbs during the off-season...so technically he did slim down to 290.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Thing is Russell had apparently ballooned to 305 lbs during the off-season...so technically he did slim down to 290.

Thats what I kind of already figured. Still it's a long ways away from the 265 he was at the combine. I also find it kind of ironic that he slimmed down to 256 for his pro day. Seems like when money's involved he's the cream of the crop.

Russell wows scouts at LSU's pro day - USATODAY.com

Kiffin noticed how well Russell moved, too. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds, which surprised a lot of the NFL observers, as did his weight of 256.

"He was 265 at the combine," Kiffin said. "Dropping nine pounds knowing this was a big day shows his commitment and shows that his mind's in the right place."

I would say to beware of productive pro days but I doubt Timmy will have the same problems if we draft him.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I would say to beware of productive pro days but I doubt Timmy will have the same problems if we draft him.

I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we did end up drafting him.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

id rate him above the journeyman quarterback we have on the roster and the soon-to-be jounrneyman QB we're trying to get rid of.

Why would you want Sage? He might be better than Grossman, and I emphasize might, but he is not better than JC. I mean how good can he be, he was our 3rd string QB for most of his time here.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why would you want Sage? He might be better than Grossman, and I emphasize might, but he is not better than JC. I mean how good can he be, he was our 3rd string QB for most of his time here.

He was only here one year

[tootergray34]

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think he has the right to refuse a trade to any team he doesn't want to go to, but if they give him an extention and the moneys right..... I also heard Oakland is willing to give up Asomugha for him.

Only in principle. Basically his best chance to stop a trade is to scare the crap out of a team that wants to trade for him.

Originally Posted by tootergray34

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

I personally didn't (can't say I said the same thing about Quinn) but apparently a lot scouts fell in love with him during the offseason leading up to the draft. I've heard some people compare his skillset to that of John Elway. He's also had one of the most impressive pro days in recent memory, weighing in at 256 and running a 4.8 40, then throwing the ball 60 yards from his knees. All the while being all but personally in-sync with his recievers at his pro day despite spending most of him time training out of state.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tootergray34

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

I think the more relevant question is: was there enough evidence available prior to 2007 to have concluded that JaMarcus Russell was going to struggle coming out of LSU?

To me, it's not retroactive history to suggest that yes, people should have been more aware of Russell's college flaws and bust potential. But I've long thought that the team that is picking first overall in the draft has an unbelievable amount of control over the way information regarding a prospect gets disseminated through certain channels. And had someone besides Oakland held the first overall pick, I think that the way Russell would have been perceived by the masses would have been very different, because I don't think a lot of teams were quite as stricken with him as they were.

There were some really interesting things written after that pick that looked fishy then.

Russell was only choice for No. 1 pick

I guess that's the lesson here, re: Bradford. A lot of stuff that's coming through is coming through the people with the Rams who are in charge of evaluating him. And that's one of the many reasons I think that Bradford is immune to some of the criticism that Clausen is catching. After all, did anyone get Mike Holmgren's opinion on Sam Bradford?

[GTripp0012]

Which is not to say that teams that aren't the Rams aren't high on Sam Bradford. I think we're just as poised to take him as the Rams are. But any player who is going to get passed over in the draft by any team is going to have questions raised about his mental makeup, etc. Even if you're not going to select the best available player, teams are going to do whatever they need to in order to spin it so that the player they are taking is perceived as the best available. Everyone does it, not just the Raiders.

And I think that's really all the negative viewpoints of Clausen really say about him: a bunch of teams in the top ten are going to pass on him. So regardless of whether it's the right or wrong move (I believe they are justified), negative scouting opinions from professionals are getting leaked.

The end result is that this rift is being created between Bradford and Clausen, and if you actually had access to all the scouting reports between the 32 teams, I'd imagine that the mean grade would be pretty darn close.

[53Fan]

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;679267]Only in principle. Basically his best chance to stop a trade is to scare the crap out of a team that wants to trade for him.

Not sure what you mean Dirtbag. Does he or doesn't he?

[SFREDSKIN]

Jamarcus Russell puts Sammy Davis jr. to shame, check the figurine of himself "Chosen" dangling from his chest on the necklace.

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