Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.

Oh thanks Schneed. I just keep an eye on Canuck's cap sheets. Money talks, all I do is listen.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap...tml#post529995

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first 13 months. Notice they didn't say in the first year. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.

Now you have to wonder whether we'll cut Springs and Taylor if we find a worthy replacement for them in free agency.

If we cut them it would seem that we back in the thick of guys like Jason Brown and Dockery.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Now you have to wonder whether we'll cut Springs and Taylor if we find a worthy replacement for them in free agency.

If we cut them it would seem that we back in the thick of guys like Jason Brown and Dockery.

News has already come out that Taylor won't be going anywhere, he'll be staying for the full $8.5 million. That came from Taylor's agent who was told so by the team. One thing the Redskins absolutely do not do is go back on their word to agents. They know where their bread is buttered, they're very trustworthy in business dealings.

[That Guy]

i'd like to see the actual numbers, and i don't think anyone thought hall + haynesworth was impossible or even unlikely, so i wouldn't be so up about that.

still, i read that all non-signing bonus guaranteed money is counted for 2009, so i don't see how they could call an option bonus guaranteed...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'd like to see the actual numbers, and i don't think anyone thought hall + haynesworth was impossible or even unlikely, so i wouldn't be so up about that.

still, i read that all non-signing bonus guaranteed money is counted for 2009, so i don't see how they could call an option bonus guaranteed...

I'm not "up" about it. I'm taking digs at you for saying we needed 27 million in room to get all this done. I have absolutely no clue how you got that number.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm not "up" about it. I'm taking digs at you for saying we needed 27 million in room to get all this done. I have absolutely no clue how you got that number.

i never said anything close to that, but thanks anyways.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

Maybe Snyder knows a lil something something about there not being a cap next year and is spending now.

Philly frequently uses excess cap space during the season to re-sign 1 or 2 players, with guaranteed money in the form of a roster bonus (only applicable to that year's cap). I wonder if Snyder is scheming to restructure a bunch of guys during the uncapped season, effectively using roster bonuses that will be off the books by the following season. This tactic would require a lot of cash on hand, but that never seems to be an issue for Snyder.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.

Nice work.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you seriously think a player is going to be under contract for 6-8 years just for cap purposes? 5 years means he's free at 30, instead of 32-33 (BIG difference). i think contracts over 6 years were made illegal too, but i'm not sure. I just really don't see him or his agent bending over backwards to help the skins after taking this long to get a deal done. Not to mention adding huge salaries on the end of a deal for ego is worthless to most players, since they want to actually get paid, and backloading our deal just makes our offer less competitive.

I think 5mill is more realistic, unless that option bonus is like, 20mill or something stupid.

You were wrong here too. Haynesworth signed for 7.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I explained in this post here (you're forgiven for not tracing back, it's a huge thread):

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap...tml#post529995

Since writing that post, I've realized how they've done it. By installing option bonuses in the second year of the contract, the Redskins were able to cleverly circumvent the 30% Rule. The option bonus doesn't count as salary, so they don't exceed the 30% inflation limit on base salaries.

So, to that guy's point, why would a player go for that? Trust. Dan Snyder sold them on the idea that while the bonus was technically an option bonus (for cap purposes), he had every intention of paying the player that money.

That's why Haynesworth contract says he'll get $32 million in the first 13 months. Notice they didn't say in the first year. He has a huge option bonus put in for 2010. I'm sure Danny has every intention of picking it up; it is clear the Redskins don't expect a salary cap in 2010.

Thanks Schneed, for the followup. I had read the post, but thought both signings were about 10mill more in guaranteed money, which i guess equals the 4mill we gained from the bump up. I just was amazed that they could get both done.
So where does it leave us now? Are we done?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Nice work.

TY. And sorry to be an ass about it (someone put a bug up my ass in this thread).

Kudos for running such a good site, and keeping such a good cap accountant around in CC. His stuff makes analyzing the numbers pretty easy.

By the way, your user title is right on. Doesn't matter what the rule is, the Deion Rule, the 30% Rule, whatever. Every year the Redskins swarm a pack of contract lawyers on those sections of the CBA, and every year they find a way to circumvent the cap. This year it was done in the form of option bonuses (see Samuels and Haynesworth). Cash is king, the cap is flimsy.

It's a big reason why I'm not so concerned about a capless NFL. We're already operating around the cap's obstacles anyway. Doing away with it just makes it easier on the front office. Either way, we still get our guys.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow Schneed, that was a pretty good prediction so far. Haynesworth is in, Hall is in, Golston got tendered. We'll see about Kendall now that Dockery is on the market, but still, you must know what you're talking about.

Since we Franchised SmootSmack, is Schneed a UFA, or is he locked up as well??

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thanks Schneed, for the followup. I had read the post, but thought both signings were about 10mill more in guaranteed money, which i guess equals the 4mill we gained from the bump up. I just was amazed that they could get both done.
So where does it leave us now? Are we done?

I haven't seen full details on Hall and Haynesworth yet. But I think my/CC's numbers are at least in the ballpark. Which means the cap space is now pretty tight. I think we have room for one more guy. I think that guy will be Dockery, as long as he's amenable to coming home for less cash in the same manner Smoot did. We'll see.

It's definitely fair to say that the lion's share of the free agent work is finished.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

TY. And sorry to be an ass about it (someone put a bug up my ass in this thread).

Kudos for running such a good site, and keeping such a good cap accountant around in CC. His stuff makes analyzing the numbers pretty easy.

By the way, your user title is right on. Doesn't matter what the rule is, the Deion Rule, the 30% Rule, whatever. Every year the Redskins swarm a pack of contract lawyers on those sections of the CBA, and every year they find a way to circumvent the cap. This year it was done in the form of option bonuses (see Samuels and Haynesworth). Cash is king, the cap is flimsy.

It's a big reason why I'm not so concerned about a capless NFL. We're already operating around the cap's obstacles anyway. Doing away with it just makes it easier on the front office. Either way, we still get our guys.

You and CC do a nice job here at breaking down the cap. I don't even try to sound like an expert, you guys have that situation covered so well.

On NFL radio this morning when they were talking about the deal Randy Cross kept referring to how much cash FedEx field brings in and for the Skins and cash is what enables them to make these types of moves. It was kind of nice to hear someone who actually understands what the Skins are doing and doesn't just throw out the tired phrases of "does the cap not apply to the Skins?".

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Since we Franchised SmootSmack, is Schneed a UFA, or is he locked up as well??

I gotta spread some love to SS, too. When I draw up the numbers I take into account his inside info, JLC's reporting, and CC's cap numbers. Put it all together and you get the Redskins' intentions wrapped up in a neat little package.