Now What??

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I really don't get those that insist on continuing to blame JC. I think it's quite clear our problems run much deeper than QB. JC has been one of our few bright spots this season.

I agree!!

I am not stat happy like some people.

But check this out: NFL Stats: Player

Doesn't really mean anything unless you put up some TDs but he is obviously moving the ball.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I really don't get those that insist on continuing to blame JC. I think it's quite clear our problems run much deeper than QB. JC has been one of our few bright spots this season.

He is the QB of an offense that can't score points. He is a small part of the problem.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He is the QB of an offense that can't score points. He is a small part of the problem.

Yep especially when players drop passes in the redzone and our redzone playcalling is suspect. Not to mention our O-line. I would put emphasis on "small part". Jesus could be our QB and some people wouldn't be happy...lol

That's a joke of course..lol

[GTripp0012]

We're deep enough on the defense so that there should be options for a good coordiator to bench the non-contributors.

You pretty much have to take the offense at face value. You have a QB who can get the ball down the field for yards, but has only 3 TD passes in 3 weeks. The team only has one rushing TD in that timeframe, so it's not like if Campbell is just getting a poor proportion of the team's TD production. He actually has 75% of it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?

[itvnetop]

After getting eviscerated by the NBC Sunday night crew, Peter King says Zorn is not on the hotseat- they'd have to find three coaches to fill his three positions (Head and QB coach/playcaller).

Rodney Harrison said he doesn't understand what the Skins see in JC. Dungy doesn't put it all on JC, but thinks it's definitely a systemic issue within the organization. Patrick called us a fantasy team. Par for the course...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

IMO we just don't have the players. We've had this group now for a while....Moss, Portis, Cooley, JC, Carter, ARE, Daniels, Griff, Landry, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Rogers, Smoot, Rocky...these for the most part are our core players and since they've been on the team we've been average to below average.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We're deep enough on the defense so that there should be options for a good coordiator to bench the non-contributors.

You pretty much have to take the offense at face value. You have a QB who can get the ball down the field for yards, but has only 3 TD passes in 3 weeks. The team only has one rushing TD in that timeframe, so it's not like if Campbell is just getting a poor proportion of the team's TD production. He actually has 75% of it.

Who?????? Are you going to bench Rogers and put in Smoot or Tryon? Maybe put in Jarmon over Daniels but he was in there today and didn't get any pressure.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

After getting eviscerated by the NBC Sunday night crew, Peter King says Zorn is not on the hotseat- they'd have to find three coaches to fill his three positions (Head and QB coach/playcaller).

Rodney Harrison said he doesn't understand what the Skins see in JC. Dungy doesn't put it all on JC, but thinks it's definitely a systemic issue within the organization. Patrick called us a fantasy team. Par for the course...

Just finished watching that as well. thought Dungys' take was spot on.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who do we have that is a top pass rusher? No one. Blitzing wasn't the way to go cause our corners were having trouble anyway. Coaching on the defense wasn't the problem today. It was the players. And even though the defense struggled today they kept us in the game the 2nd half. It's the offense where I place the blame. Scoring 9 and 14 points against two of the worst teams in the NFL is unacceptable.

When you have a pass rush(blitz or not) it HELPS the corners(DB's). Our schemes for rushing the QB is so basic, it isnt fooling anyone. Blache is still stuck in the 80's, the game has passed him. Coaching is the problem, the DB's are still playing 10 yards off the WR's. And I see the offensive problems as 2 parts....1)our O-line is bad, Heyer shouldnt be a starter in this league, and 2)Zorns pathetic playcalling.

We need to blow this up, bring in Holmgren(or one of the others) give him TOTAL control of the team. Fire Zorn(or demote to QB coach), fire Cerrato...this needed to happen a long time ago. Snyder needs to pay the bills and keep his nose out of the rest. Fire Blache, and promote Jerry Gray. If his schemes arent any better, start looking for a young defensive coordinator at the end of the season.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Yep especially when players drop passes in the redzone and our redzone playcalling is suspect. Not to mention our O-line. I would put emphasis on "small part".

I think the problems are everywhere. The question is why is it everywhere? We knew we had WR and O-line issues. It appeared we may have solved some of the issues concerning both problems. Only to find out we can't run to the right (which let me remind you was Heyers issue, he can't run block) and we can't get the WR's the ball. I blame Bugel and Hixon for these issues. Now maybe it's Zorn's plays that suck, I don't know. If your a HC and you know you have these issues you find a way to develope plays that will fix these issues. Maybe that's why I'm not a HC. In the end you play to your strength. In the past its been the run, but we suck at the run now so he better find a way to get the blocking fixed or find a way to get the WR's the ball.

I'll ask what I asked last week ....why do other teams make it look easy to get their WR's the ball and we have such difficulty? I don't think it's all the O-line or all the QB or all the WR's fault. I think it has something to do with how our WR's are being trained to run their routes. Hixon. The O-line issues are possibly how they are being trained how to block. Bugel. I mean if the players are not executing the scheme find a scheme they can execute or cut them.

[JLee9718]

I'm letting my emotions sidetrack my common sense...everyone has to be held accountable as someone said, and I agree with that. But Vinnie C. is part of the problem, Dan Snyder is part of the problem, and so is the entire coaching staff. There are no easy solutions to this mess.

PS: I'm changing my avatar!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who?????? Are you going to bench Rogers and put in Smoot or Tryon? Maybe put in Jarmon over Daniels but he was in there today and didn't get any pressure.

Smoot should be on the field never. Rogers and Hall can start at the corners for all I care, but if you bring someone off the bench in a package, make it Barnes or Tryon.

I'd just move Orakpo to RE at this point. I like Carter, and I think he's a good player, but if you need to bring him off the bench to have your best talent on the field, so be it. Daniels and Golston aren't helping right now.

The secondary may or may not be able to match up with anybody the whole year, but we don't have to let people take 8:00 minutes to drive down the field. We can try some cover two shell to take some pressure off of the corners, or you can go for broke and play cover zero with the corners having deep responsibilty. Cover one and three just don't seem to work for this personnel. Man has been a little bit better, but we can either man-blitz, or play tighter underneath coverage.

Sure, we might give up more points, but the offense needs to get on the field more than three times a half. If we're really not a good defense, let's not keep delaying the inevitable.

[Green1]

I still think the D is the strength of our team. Look at the first 2 weeks if the O scores 20-25 points and keeps the d off the field so much we are 3-0