Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

That Guy · 09-13-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Many, Many QB's have been benched for substandard play (including Joe Theisman). If this is how he handles life challenges....................so be it, his choice. Gibbs record and career are what they are. Did we see Brunell react this way when Ramsey got the starter job? I will be sorry to see him go as he has great potential. Fot the moment, he gives no indication of cementing himself in a starters role. Sadly it can be said for many other QB's that never reached their full potential, like, Jeff George.

well, ramsey's contract is for 5mill and brunells is for 42mill, so that might be part of him not complaining

irish · 09-13-2005, 07:16 AM

I feel bad for PR because he got stuck in a situation where he was never wanted from the beginning. OBC did not want him and neither did Gibbs. Hopefully PR will get traded somewhere where he can try to revive his career.

Hog1 · 09-13-2005, 07:23 AM

I don't think it's a matter of Gibbs "not wanting" him. It's not a personal thing. I believe early on, Gibb's saw something in him that made him think he "did not have it". So far he has been correct. I'm a big Ramsey supporter, but even I have to say in the heat of battle, his response is ridiculous (not the first time). He is making a huge mistake. Also, I doubt if Gibbs makes this decision without consulting his coaching staff who I assume are at the least, mostly (if not totally) in agreement.

Joe Knows... · 09-13-2005, 08:32 AM

You know guys, all of this panic is for nothing. Because I saw it strait from the hosses mouth that he did NOT say he wants to be traded. I saw it on Comcast Sportrise that he had said on the Monday Night Redskins show they have, (at that fancy cafe) where he was a guest, that he did not say that.

This seems to be all the work of his agent again. Who never bothered to speak to Patrick about it. I think his agent is too worried about getting a pay off and for that to happen, Ramsey needs to be on the field performing.

I also just watched the Press Conference on Redskins.com TV. Coach Gibbs made some very interesting comments. One of them was when he drew comparisons from when Mark Rypien was first comming up. How he sat on the IR for 2 years then when he got his chance he threw 9 INTs in 8 games. Coach said they kept trying to instill it into Ryp that he can't allow those turn overs. And they worked with him on that in various drills and such. But the thing Gibbs said he thought got through to Rypien most was when he benched him after that and let some one else be the starter. And you know what happened after that when Mark Rypien got to play again. No more turn overs and hello to a Lombardi trophy! He was the league MVP!

So you never know, Ramsey just might not be done after all.

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2005, 08:35 AM

Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...

irish · 09-13-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...

That means another season gone by the wayside because rookie QBs just cannot win in this league. Maybe MB can get the team rolling but if the season is toast by Nov then I agree, let the rookie get some experience.

SUNRA · 09-13-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...

I'm thinking the same thing. We all know his contract is loaded with incentives next year, but who knows this could be his year. We don't know until he gets in there. One thing you can admit he's more comfortable than Brunell and Ramsey in the pocket and is strong as hell when it comes to avoiding the sacks.

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2005, 08:45 AM

I'm going on last year when I say that. I honestly feel like starting Brunell is a statement. And that statement is "We're not going to win a whole hell of alot this year."

jbcjr14 · 09-13-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I'm going on last year when I say that. I honestly feel like starting Brunell is a statement. And that statement is "We're not going to win a whole hell of alot this year."

Well I agree with the statement, but I think its more like..."We are not going to keep turning the ball over due to poor QB decisions and throws".

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jbcjr14

Well I agree with the statement, but I think its more like..."We are not going to keep turning the ball over due to poor QB decisions and throws".

Perhaps, but we're also not going to find the endzone either.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-13-2005, 09:19 AM

Remember, according to statements made last season by some Brunell's supporters, the defense isn't scoring enough points. We can't put all the blame on Brunell and the offense. I mean, why isn't the defense scoring more than 16 points per game!!!!

I expect to see more of the same sort of talk. People have put their pride on the line and will likely come up with any excuse NOT to blame Brunell (whereas they were right quick to blame Ramsey for everything).

Joe Knows... · 09-13-2005, 09:28 AM

Last year WAS Brunells fault. In my opinion, he had a lot to do with it. Of coarse much also lays on the recievers and backs for all of their dropped passes.

But that was LAST YEAR. Last year is OVER! This is THIS YEAR! It's a completely different season and there are a lot of variables from how one player performs from one season to the next. So far, I like what I've seen from Brunell THIS SEASON, and I do not from Patrick, THIS SEASON.

I can tell you how much I loved Patrick LAST YEAR and how much I thought he would be the guy LAST YEAR, but that wouldn't change a dang thing. It's past, it's over, and it's a new day. THIS YEAR has been a completely different story so far than what we saw last year.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Knows...

Last year WAS Brunells fault. In my opinion, he had a lot to do with it. Of coarse much also lays on the recievers and backs for all of their dropped passes.

But that was LAST YEAR. Last year is OVER! This is THIS YEAR! It's a completely different season and there are a lot of variables from how one player performs from one season to the next. So far, I like what I've seen from Brunell THIS SEASON, and I do not from Patrick, THIS SEASON.

I can tell you how much I loved Patrick LAST YEAR and how much I thought he would be the guy LAST YEAR, but that wouldn't change a dang thing. It's past, it's over, and it's a new day. THIS YEAR has been a completely different story so far than what we saw last year.

this year from Ramsey lasted 19 minutes. got a good look? if you're basing it on preseason then you're looking at a very incomplete picture. afterall it was preseason that put Brunell in to ruin all of last season.

Daseal · 09-13-2005, 09:32 AM

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Many, Many QB's have been benched for substandard play (including Joe Theisman).

Substandard play? Ramsey had one turnover I blame him for. The hit Briggs put on him should have, by all accounts, been a penelty and I cant see anyone holding on to the ball after something like that. He also threw for more yards in 1 quarter than Brunell did for the rest of the game.

Here's the deal, I'd rather have a QB that can stretch the field, back the safeties off, and complete some long balls but turn it over more than someone who is a safer bet but makes small completions. Sorry, when you have a defense like ours you can afford turnovers from time to time. Ramsey gives us the best chance to score, and that's what we need.

12thMan · 09-13-2005, 10:09 AM

I just don't like the idea of Joe Gibbs taking so much heat for supposedly not being as loyal to Patrick as he is to Mark Brunell, as if he likes Brunell more as person. What a bunch of crock!! Listen, Gibbs wants to win. Period! He's so passionate about this organization and he's willing to take whatever heat and make whatever unpopular decisions it takes to get the Redskins winning.

Joe Gibbs doesn't owe anything to Mark Brunell or Ramsey for that matter. His loyalty ultimately lies to, first himself as a coach, then the organization, and the fans - not necessarily in that order. But let's make it clear Gibbs owes no loyalty or "second" chances to one particular player. I believe Gibbs is as integral as they come (like most of us here believe about him) and IMO he's just making the best decision that will ultimately put the Redskins in a better position to win games.

09-13-2005, 07:16 AM	#2
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I feel bad for PR because he got stuck in a situation where he was never wanted from the beginning. OBC did not want him and neither did Gibbs. Hopefully PR will get traded somewhere where he can try to revive his career.

09-13-2005, 07:23 AM	#3
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I don't think it's a matter of Gibbs "not wanting" him. It's not a personal thing. I believe early on, Gibb's saw something in him that made him think he "did not have it". So far he has been correct. I'm a big Ramsey supporter, but even I have to say in the heat of battle, his response is ridiculous (not the first time). He is making a huge mistake. Also, I doubt if Gibbs makes this decision without consulting his coaching staff who I assume are at the least, mostly (if not totally) in agreement.

09-13-2005, 08:32 AM	#4
Joe Knows... Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Maryland Posts: 77	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded You know guys, all of this panic is for nothing. Because I saw it strait from the hosses mouth that he did NOT say he wants to be traded. I saw it on Comcast Sportrise that he had said on the Monday Night Redskins show they have, (at that fancy cafe) where he was a guest, that he did not say that. This seems to be all the work of his agent again. Who never bothered to speak to Patrick about it. I think his agent is too worried about getting a pay off and for that to happen, Ramsey needs to be on the field performing. I also just watched the Press Conference on Redskins.com TV. Coach Gibbs made some very interesting comments. One of them was when he drew comparisons from when Mark Rypien was first comming up. How he sat on the IR for 2 years then when he got his chance he threw 9 INTs in 8 games. Coach said they kept trying to instill it into Ryp that he can't allow those turn overs. And they worked with him on that in various drills and such. But the thing Gibbs said he thought got through to Rypien most was when he benched him after that and let some one else be the starter. And you know what happened after that when Mark Rypien got to play again. No more turn overs and hello to a Lombardi trophy! He was the league MVP! So you never know, Ramsey just might not be done after all.

09-13-2005, 08:35 AM	#5
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...

09-13-2005, 08:45 AM	#8
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I'm going on last year when I say that. I honestly feel like starting Brunell is a statement. And that statement is "We're not going to win a whole hell of alot this year."

09-13-2005, 09:19 AM	#11
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Remember, according to statements made last season by some Brunell's supporters, the defense isn't scoring enough points. We can't put all the blame on Brunell and the offense. I mean, why isn't the defense scoring more than 16 points per game!!!! I expect to see more of the same sort of talk. People have put their pride on the line and will likely come up with any excuse NOT to blame Brunell (whereas they were right quick to blame Ramsey for everything).

09-13-2005, 09:28 AM	#12
Joe Knows... Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Maryland Posts: 77	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Last year WAS Brunells fault. In my opinion, he had a lot to do with it. Of coarse much also lays on the recievers and backs for all of their dropped passes. But that was LAST YEAR. Last year is OVER! This is THIS YEAR! It's a completely different season and there are a lot of variables from how one player performs from one season to the next. So far, I like what I've seen from Brunell THIS SEASON, and I do not from Patrick, THIS SEASON. I can tell you how much I loved Patrick LAST YEAR and how much I thought he would be the guy LAST YEAR, but that wouldn't change a dang thing. It's past, it's over, and it's a new day. THIS YEAR has been a completely different story so far than what we saw last year.

09-13-2005, 10:09 AM	#15
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I just don't like the idea of Joe Gibbs taking so much heat for supposedly not being as loyal to Patrick as he is to Mark Brunell, as if he likes Brunell more as person. What a bunch of crock!! Listen, Gibbs wants to win. Period! He's so passionate about this organization and he's willing to take whatever heat and make whatever unpopular decisions it takes to get the Redskins winning. Joe Gibbs doesn't owe anything to Mark Brunell or Ramsey for that matter. His loyalty ultimately lies to, first himself as a coach, then the organization, and the fans - not necessarily in that order. But let's make it clear Gibbs owes no loyalty or "second" chances to one particular player. I believe Gibbs is as integral as they come (like most of us here believe about him) and IMO he's just making the best decision that will ultimately put the Redskins in a better position to win games. Last edited by 12thMan; 09-13-2005 at 10:30 AM.

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