Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

Hog1 · 11-01-2010, 01:11 PM

Listening to Trent Dilfer discuss the matter today. He explained that naturally the McNabb benching had nothing to do with Grossman being more adept in the two minute drill (although he did point out that DM is avg at best at game end and in critical situations across his career?) and all about sending DM a message.
Here we are at the Bye and it is an opportune time to work on DM's footwork and motion as the coaching staff has been asking of him. He has apparently...to date refused.
As can readily be seen, DM is not having an....exceptional year and the coaches would like that to improve.
I have no doubt this is essentially true. I am not surprised by this....and don't disagree
AND on the day before election day.....HOG1 supports this message

T.O.Killa · 11-01-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just tired of us bringing in all these older guys for draft picks...it's not just McNabb but Brown looks like it was a bad move, so there's more draft picks. When is someone going to come in here and stop trading away picks for old guys??? I was watching the Pats yesterday and the guy that was filling in for Buck said that NE has two 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in next year's draft and they're playing ALL YOUNG GUYS on defense. I want someone from their front office here....Oh yeah, KC got him and they're now in 1st place in the AFC West.

It always easy to look good with Brady, for that matter Manning. Both teams are considered the best talent evaluaters in football. Show me how they replace those two, and then I will judge how great they are.

hooskins · 11-01-2010, 01:16 PM

Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.

If 5/6 think that the benching was wrong, I think that qualifies as a vast majority. Any further over that might just be evidence of group think, and absence of logical thought.

I think the poll shows that a majority of Redskins fans feel their shiny new head coach made a poor, but critical, decision. That's a fairly landmark outcome for a deeply-rooted fanbase such as this one.

redsk1 · 11-01-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move.

This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change.

Yep.

Fans expecting playoffs this year or next are a little unrealistic based on our roster. We have MAJOR needs in a lot of areas. Only several good drafts can address those needs. Several good drafts.

Remember our shi*** led team has not drafted for quality or quanity over the last 10 years+. It catches up w/ you sooner or later.

skinsfan69 · 11-01-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

It always easy to look good with Brady, for that matter Manning. Both teams are considered the best talent evaluaters in football. Show me how they replace those two, and then I will judge how great they are.

Forget Brady. They got rid of every single old guy on their defense. Now they've got all young guys playing on defense and they've lost one game, and they've got a ton of draft picks. Now look at us... We've got a lot of older guys and we're an average to below average team with no draft picks. Something is really wrong here.

MTK · 11-01-2010, 01:24 PM

Talking about New England is just silly. They had several seasons to turn over that defense, and Brady is well established and has a much better OL.

I think people are forgetting the new regime here came in at a tough time where free agency was very limited and we already had limited picks on hand from Vinny.

NYCSkin · 11-01-2010, 01:30 PM

If Shanahan wanted to send DM a message there are much much better ways to do it than the way he did. Aside from the fact that he chose to make this "message" during a very winnable game--which is ridiculous--he made a very shortsighted strategic decision vis-a-vis his credibility with the team.
DM is not a rookie or journeyman. Treat him with some respect. And if you diss him--don't then say something even more horseshit like Grossmann gave us a better chance to win in the last two minutes and he can get two plays in at the same time blah blah blah. It's an inconsistent message, it is not concise in its reasoning, and it does nothing to instill confidence.

As a CEO type coach--Shanahan has to project this confidence and be consistent in a concise manner. The three C's of a CEO. All he did yesterday--based on his own reasoning after the game--was diminish his leadership cred tremendously. That is the most damaging thing about the loss yesterday...

LavaRnChad · 11-01-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilbert07

That's true. A week from today, maybe all the QB conversation will have calmed, and the Cowboys will be 1-7.

If Dallas went 0-16, it still wouldn't make me feel better. Especially that we may very well be in the same places they will be after week 17... AT HOME DURING THE PLAYOFFS. That "Dallas sucks" mentality while we SUCK ALSO is just too funny. I could care less what they are doing.

irish · 11-01-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

After sleeping on this the one thing that really bothers me this morning is the message benching McNabb sends to the team. Shanahan has done a great job this year overall, but this one move was a big mistake on his part. He needs to get with Kyle and Donovan over the bye and get this thing fixed. I don't care if they have to modify the offense, just do whatever you've got to do to get everyone on the same page and moving forward... together.

You can see it in everyone's body language out there. McNabb is frustrated, they cut to Kyle and he's frustrated. There's a disconnect somewhere.

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

MTK · 11-01-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

Definitely agree.

Glen Williams · 11-01-2010, 01:41 PM

Calm down buddy. The offensive line is to blame.
They need ALOT of work
you cant expect much from a QB that has less than 2 seconds to
get rid of the ball every play.
Kyle and his dad were wrong for taking mcnabb out.
He was our only chance to get down the field for a TD in 2 mins.
Putting in our backup was the stupidest thing we've done all year.
Not only did it ruin our chances of winning the game,
Now the confidence of the team is down
and although Mcnabb is a classy dude and doesnt show his frustration...
I'm sure he's pissed.

Chief X_Phackter · 11-01-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't buy the 2 minute thing at all. One season in Houston where he played in 1 game, and we're supposed to believe he's better equipped to handle things over a guy like McNabb with his resume? Good one Shanny but I'm selling that one.

Ditto...I'm not buying that shit at all...so WTF did he do it then?

Longtimefan · 11-01-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just tired of us bringing in all these older guys for draft picks...it's not just McNabb but Brown looks like it was a bad move, so there's more draft picks. When is someone going to come in here and stop trading away picks for old guys??? I was watching the Pats yesterday and the guy that was filling in for Buck said that NE has two 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in next year's draft and they're playing ALL YOUNG GUYS on defense. I want someone from their front office here....Oh yeah, KC got him and they're now in 1st place in the AFC West.

I certainly agree with your assessment, there are many more who share in your views.

Using the current formula, it's difficult to envision a blueprint for how the team is going to get younger or better.

SolidSnake84 · 11-01-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Ditto...I'm not buying that shit at all...so WTF did he do it then?

Maybe he has seen enough of McNabb playing the way he has. Except for the houston game, McNabb has played like absolute shit this season. We lost yesterday because of the INT he threw to triple coverage...

Shanahan is no dummy and he has just seen enough of McNabb. McNabb isn't losing us games, but he really isnt the reason we are winning them either.

View Poll Results: Did you agree with Shanahan's decision to bench McNabb?
Yes	17	14.05%
No	104	85.95%
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11-01-2010, 01:11 PM	#196
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Listening to Trent Dilfer discuss the matter today. He explained that naturally the McNabb benching had nothing to do with Grossman being more adept in the two minute drill (although he did point out that DM is avg at best at game end and in critical situations across his career?) and all about sending DM a message. Here we are at the Bye and it is an opportune time to work on DM's footwork and motion as the coaching staff has been asking of him. He has apparently...to date refused. As can readily be seen, DM is not having an....exceptional year and the coaches would like that to improve. I have no doubt this is essentially true. I am not surprised by this....and don't disagree AND on the day before election day.....HOG1 supports this message __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-01-2010, 01:16 PM	#198
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Wow, I am sad to say the state of Redskins fans. I can't believe a whopping 17 percent of people here think the benching was the correct move. This is what happens when Dan calls the shots and makes changes often. Fans expect sudden and stupid change. __________________ Vacancy

11-01-2010, 01:24 PM	#202
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Talking about New England is just silly. They had several seasons to turn over that defense, and Brady is well established and has a much better OL. I think people are forgetting the new regime here came in at a tough time where free agency was very limited and we already had limited picks on hand from Vinny. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-01-2010, 01:30 PM	#203
NYCSkin Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 53 Posts: 513	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss If Shanahan wanted to send DM a message there are much much better ways to do it than the way he did. Aside from the fact that he chose to make this "message" during a very winnable game--which is ridiculous--he made a very shortsighted strategic decision vis-a-vis his credibility with the team. DM is not a rookie or journeyman. Treat him with some respect. And if you diss him--don't then say something even more horseshit like Grossmann gave us a better chance to win in the last two minutes and he can get two plays in at the same time blah blah blah. It's an inconsistent message, it is not concise in its reasoning, and it does nothing to instill confidence. As a CEO type coach--Shanahan has to project this confidence and be consistent in a concise manner. The three C's of a CEO. All he did yesterday--based on his own reasoning after the game--was diminish his leadership cred tremendously. That is the most damaging thing about the loss yesterday...

11-01-2010, 01:41 PM	#207
Glen Williams Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Dumfries, VA Age: 34 Posts: 38	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Calm down buddy. The offensive line is to blame. They need ALOT of work you cant expect much from a QB that has less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball every play. Kyle and his dad were wrong for taking mcnabb out. He was our only chance to get down the field for a TD in 2 mins. Putting in our backup was the stupidest thing we've done all year. Not only did it ruin our chances of winning the game, Now the confidence of the team is down and although Mcnabb is a classy dude and doesnt show his frustration... I'm sure he's pissed. __________________ You look good in pink

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