Sources: Gruden the front runner

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You know, whether it's Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan, or even Armstrong, I'm not going to complain. What this team needs is a proven winner who commands respect and demands 110% effort and accountability.

Also I think the front office needs a strong minded HC who knows personnel in this league. If we can't get Vinny outta there and a real GM in place, let's at least get a HC who has been around the block when it comes to building a team.

Yes, any of them would be a big upgrade right now.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know if Gruden is the right coach for the Redskins. Even though he won a superbowl with Tampa Bay, in the the last few years with the Bucs, the quarterback position there brought uncertainty to the offense and the team. This is the opposite of what the redskins need right now.

Shanaghan and Cowher are coaches that may be better suited for the redskins especially considering the team's current situation. They are different from one another in their coaching and offensive style of play, but both should bring in a better ground game and more than likely solidify the offensive line.

I don't see how the player aquasition is any different then what Zorn has done or what Shanahan has done.

Gruden stock piled QB's
Shanahan stock piled RB's
Zorn stock piled RB's.

The only difference is their personalities. We need a coach who is not going to coddle the players and pat their backs, we need one that will get in their faces.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You know, whether it's Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan, or even Armstrong, I'm not going to complain. What this team needs is a proven winner who commands respect and demands 110% effort and accountability.

Also I think the front office needs a strong minded HC who knows personnel in this league. If we can't get Vinny outta there and a real GM in place, let's at least get a HC who has been around the block when it comes to building a team.

I agree with everything you said here, but I don't want Gruden to continue this issue that the redskins have with the doubt at quarterback which affects the entire offense. I want a head coach to know what a great quarterback is, and then get and/or be able to develop one; not a head coach who will continue to bring uncertainty at the quarterback position. Gruden doesn't seem to have a great eye for talent especially at quarterback; I believe that Rich Gannon was a perfect fit for him, but he fell into Gruden's lap. And to me, Gruden winning the superbowl in his first year at Tampa Bay, but not coming close to that success in following years - is a testament to Gruden's lack of player personnel knowledge/skills.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Honestly I actually hope it doesn't. I wish we could get rid of all the high priced primidana's, and get rid of the coach's stuck in their old ways. Bring in new coach's ....NFL qualified coach's ...and start rebuilding a young, healthy, fast team.

Yeah I hope not either. Some guys have to go. We need an influx of young talent that wants to win a SuperBowl not just get paid. That is what we are missing. Guys who arent here to get paid.

I agree SBXVII. We need to start fresh all the way around.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I agree with everything you said here, but I don't want Gruden to continue this issue that the redskins have with the doubt at quarterback which affects the entire offense. I want a head coach to know what a great quarterback is, and then get and/or be able to develop one; not a head coach who will continue to bring uncertainty at the quarterback position. Gruden doesn't seem to have a great eye for talent especially at quarterback; I believe that Rich Gannon was a perfect fit for him, but he fell into Gruden's lap. And to me, Gruden winning the superbowl in his first year at Tampa Bay, but not coming close to that success in following years - is a testament to Gruden's lack of player personnel knowledge/skills.

I am a Gruden guy but his handling of the QB position is the biggest knock against him in my eyes. He tends to fall in and out of love with QB's very quickly and it's hard to win big without stability at that position. IMO if we found him one good enough that would prevent this from happening but that is a concern with Gruden.

[calia]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know if Gruden is the right coach for the Redskins. Even though he won a superbowl with Tampa Bay, in the the last few years with the Bucs, the quarterback position there brought uncertainty to the offense and the team. This is the opposite of what the redskins need right now.

Shanaghan and Cowher are coaches that may be better suited for the redskins especially considering the team's current situation. They are different from one another in their coaching and offensive style of play, but both should bring in a better ground game and more than likely solidify the offensive line.

I know some folks don't like Cowher (I do). But one thing about him that I think is positive by any objective measure is that he brought in very good assistant coaches and gave them real roles (Grimm, Tomlin). Having a core group of solid, experienced coaches is important, and Cowher can build that. We've been hit and miss in that department.

[celts32]

I think most skins fans would be thrilled with Cohwer. I think he is talked about less because he is the least likely to come here. Most people think he is either not going to coach at all or is waiting out the Carolina job.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I agree with everything you said here, but I don't want Gruden to continue this issue that the redskins have with the doubt at quarterback which affects the entire offense. I want a head coach to know what a great quarterback is, and then get and/or be able to develop one; not a head coach who will continue to bring uncertainty at the quarterback position. Gruden doesn't seem to have a great eye for talent especially at quarterback; I believe that Rich Gannon was a perfect fit for him, but he fell into Gruden's lap. And to me, Gruden winning the superbowl in his first year at Tampa Bay, but not coming close to that success in following years - is a testament to Gruden's lack of player personnel knowledge/skills.

Not sure why people have this concern about Gruden and QBs. Gannon had his best years under him and so did Brad Johnson. I don't blame him much for the musical chairs at QB in Tampa at the end. The front office there simply wouldn't spend money so he ended up picking up scraps. And if it weren't for that spleen injury Simms had who knows, he could have developed.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure why people have this concern about Gruden and QBs. Gannon had his best years under him and so did Brad Johnson. I don't blame him much for the musical chairs at QB in Tampa at the end. The front office there simply wouldn't spend money so he ended up picking up scraps. And if it weren't for that spleen injury Simms had who knows, he could have developed.

I agree but the perception does exist because of the way it ended in Tampa. I think Gruden will be fine if he is given the QB he wants. And Gruden does not get enough credit for the Super Bowl in Tampa. They would never have won that super bowl without the improvements he made to thier offense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure why people have this concern about Gruden and QBs. Gannon had his best years under him and so did Brad Johnson. I don't blame him much for the musical chairs at QB in Tampa at the end. The front office there simply wouldn't spend money so he ended up picking up scraps. And if it weren't for that spleen injury Simms had who knows, he could have developed.

It's also worth being said that the highest quarterback ever drafted by Jon Gruden was Marques Tuiasosopo in 2001, at the back end of the second round. The Raiders took Sebastian Janikowski the year before...in the first round.

The other thing I like about Gruden, is that if he's impressed enough by Jason Campbell, I know he'll keep him around for another year and fix the lines first. He'll probably want his own quarterback eventually...I don't think the Redskins will ever give Jason Campbell a long term deal. But I think Gruden, more than any other coach, will play around with the pieces the team already has before tearing down the whole thing and starting over.

The plan of building through free agency wouldn't change with Jon Gruden in, but that's never, ever been the problem with the Redskins. The problem has been poor decision making in free agency, and trades that never, ever look good even from the start. If this team had not made a single trade in the Snyder era, we probably would have a whole bundle of playoff wins, instead of two.

[freddyg12]

Gruden had a nice O in Oakland - man, doesn't that seem ages ago! And prior to that time, Gannon's career was that of a journeyman backup. Remember him in b&g?

I don't know that he's the best out there, but it sounds like a no. of signs point to him as being one of the most likely.

[GTripp0012]

If we draft offensive linemen with our first two draft picks in next year's draft, I guarantee that we'll have an above average offense next year. It's somewhat dependent on who the quarterback is, but as long as you don't go the Tony Banks route, they should be okay.

[JLee9718]

I wouldn't trust my football with a guy that spells his first name wrong.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

I wouldn't trust my football with a guy that spells his first name wrong.

Now I know your first name.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we draft offensive linemen with our first two draft picks in next year's draft, I guarantee that we'll have an above average offense next year. It's somewhat dependent on who the quarterback is, but as long as you don't go the Tony Banks route, they should be okay.

You can't guarantee that cause you don't know if those players will be any good. Just cause we take guys high doesn't mean they can play. aka Chad Rinehart. It might take a few years to rebuild the line cause we need 3-4 spots that need to be replaced.