Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[jdlea]

Here's one you guys can add to the stock pile:

I guarantee Mark Brunell never wins or plays in a Super Bowl for the Redskins. I'll be surprised if he plays in a playoff game for this team.

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

One thing no one is talking about in here is how the rest of the team will take this. I thought that I read that Ramsey was very well liked by his teamates. If they think that he got a bum rap and not a full chance, they'll lose repsect for Gibbs.

That's the only thing that really worries me about the situation. Especially since I know Jon Jansen is best friends with him.

My thought is they'll get over it though.

[jdlea]

Jon Jansen should be apologizing because it's all his fault. If he had picked up Briggs or even picked up a penalty by tripping Briggs, Ramsey never goes down and Gibbs doesn't get a look at Brunell....J/K

[VishsSkins]

I think they are going to interview ramsey and brunell after the MNF game on ABC if anyone wants to watch. I know I do.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

I think they are going to interview ramsey and brunell after the MNF game on ABC if anyone wants to watch. I know I do.

oh snap, heck yeah I want to see that. I wonder if Ramsey will gaive the standard, "best for the team" quote.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not going to lie, I've been a Brunell fan for years. Since back in his Jaguars days. So I'm probably a bit biased here.

That doesn't mean I can't like Ramsey as well. And I'll admit that one reason I really started rooting for Ramsey last year wasn't so much of him but Skinz_Domin8. Sigh, you guys remember him, right? Former Warpath user who was such an ass to everyone here and was so idiotic in his anti-Ramsey bashing that I rooted for Ramsey just to spite Domin8. Petty, I know.

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

[SUNRA]

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]SUNRA,

I'm just curious why you are so hard on Ramsey, but back Brunell at every turn. I defended Brunell last night when people were arguing that Brunell's INT (that was called back) was not his fault. I have yet to see you defend Ramsey in any situation. I know everyone likes to use hyperbole to simplifications to make a point (as I sometimes do), but do you really think the QB debate is as cut and dry as it is being made out to be? If you have that much confidence in Brunell, I just don't understand where it was coming from last season or this season.[/QUOTE

Joe Gibbs has more experience in developing a QB into his system and winning as you know with three different QBS. This was what he is best known for. 2 out of the 3 QB's were MVP's of the Superbowl. Now if I understand and respect Gibbs's success in this area, why should I waste time defending a QB who hasn't played an entire season. It's not his fault, but that's the baggage he carries and he seems to have not learned anything from his past mistakes. Holding on the ball too long, taking the sack instead of throwing the ball away. No understanding of reading defenses which led to him audiblizing so much that it became a hindrance to the offense and his ability to lead the team with confidence. Some QBs have it and more than enough don't. The way Gibbs sees it, Ramsey just doesn't have it. I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years, I think I know a mentally sound and physically gifted QB when I see won. I watched one last night, dismantle a Ravens defense.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

i feel the franchise owes Ramsey but all the franchise BS he's been through aside, the team itself deserves to have the guy they trained with all offseason behind center. not the old guy with no reps this season and had his chances already and gave us 6-10.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Here's one you guys can add to the stock pile:

I guarantee Mark Brunell never wins or plays in a Super Bowl for the Redskins. I'll be surprised if he plays in a playoff game for this team.

I guarantee you Mark Brunell delivers to the fans of the Washington Redskins a victory over Dallas Cowboys and solidifies his place in the Warpath Hall of Fame. Throw Brunell throw and Run Clinton Run. Redskins win this one guys.

[jdlea]

Okay...that's your opinion. When does he deliver a win against Dallas? This Monday? You know who the last Skins QB was to beat Dallas? Patrick Ramsey.

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by Daseal

If you think Brunell should be starting, then fine, make that point and defend it, which I have yet to see you do in a realistic manor.

First let me say that I have been a Ramsey fan since i met him at Dickenson College Coartyard at training camp his first day with the team.

But since he got his brains beat out by Spurriers lack of protection, he's not been the same. He's been figity and forcing the ball with bad decisions, not to mention he throws way off targert. Even that one big play by Santana Moss was all bye Santana. Ramsey threw it a little behind Moss, but Moss still made the play.

Now Brunell on the other hand seems to be a totaly different QB this year from what he was last year. He actually has some zip on the ball and he makes better decisions than Ramsey. He doesn't try to force things, plus his mobility keeps the defenses honest. They don't go blitz crazy like they do with Ramsey who basically always stays in one spot.

Brunell seems much improved this year. He looks more like his old Pro Bowl self from Jacksonville when he took them to the 2 Championship games. And I think he'll do the same for us this year after seeing his improvement. He seems like he's in much better shape this year. He can run better and he seems to have a much stronger arm then he did last year.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

He owes him exactly what he provided Brunell with. He didnt have to make him the starter, right. He did though. So why did he owe Brunell 9 weeks to f*ck things up, and he only gave Ramsey a quarter in which he didnt even play bad?

Bottom line, I think Gibbs is just looking for reasons to let Brunell play so that he can hopefully turn things around, and make Gibbs look good for picking him up in the first place.

The only things Joe Gibbs needs to worry about is winning football games. I dont care if he puts Osama Bin Laden behind center, he should be winning football games. I just dont understand why everyone thinks Mark Brunell was so good, or is going to be any better. He dosent look THAT good. He only threw for 70 yards yesterday. He looks NOTHING, ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING like he was in Jacksonville. When he was with the Jags, he could take games over and win them by himself, he was a manic. Lets not kid ourselves, he looks nothing like he used too. At this point, neither of these guys is the long term awnser, but for the love of god, the kid should have had more than 20 mintues before he got pulled.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i feel the franchise owes Ramsey but all the franchise BS he's been through aside, the team itself deserves to have the guy they trained with all offseason behind center. not the old guy with no reps this season and had his chances already and gave us 6-10.

So Ramsey gets one, two, three, (and so on) chances but Brunell gets just one?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

It's not his fault, but that's the baggage he carries and he seems to have not learned anything from his past mistakes. Holding on the ball too long, taking the sack instead of throwing the ball away. No understanding of reading defenses which led to him audiblizing so much that it became a hindrance to the offense and his ability to lead the team with confidence. Some QBs have it and more than enough don't. The way Gibbs sees it, Ramsey just doesn't have it. I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years, I think I know a mentally sound and physically gifted QB when I see won. I watched one last night, dismantle a Ravens defense.

how can you keep ignoring what Brunell and Ramsey did last year? why does this year's preseason and 3 drives count and determine their abilities but not *all of last season*?

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Those are also better numbers than Harrington's, Boller's or Carr's. I guess you think the Texans should cut Carr? I guess patience is not one of our team's greatest attributes.

This is actually a really good point I thought of earlier this evening. Ramsey has actually shown more than either of the guys taken before him.

For some reason, Gibbs' just hasn't been sold on him. I think it is a very instinctive thing and for whatever reason, Gibbs' doesn't think this is his guy.

On the bright side, I think there has to be at least one team out there with a GM who thinks Ramsey can be the man, so hopefully we can deal him after this season for something.