Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

I can't really say anything to support or be against this move because I have none on this guy beside the reports on him I read.. However, I would have to look at this move as a positive sign for our FO; the reason why we drafted Jarmon is to replace Phillips and Wynn after the 2010 season.. Which is something we rarely do.. I hope the FO will continue this trend..

I guess I can say I'm in waiting-to-see-what-happens mode (pretty much same as everyone else) but I don't think it would be a bust pick for us.. I'm not saying that Jarmon would rise to a great or star player, but I believe he will rise to level where he is serviceable as #1 LDE for years.. Or more..

GI, you could say that again! Your reason is the same reason I haven't brought myself to vote in this poll.

I've been checking the 2010 Draft that Dirtbag posted. I didn't see Jarmon.

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...aft-depth.html.

Of course all of those players would have been 1st rounders, and Jarmon is a 3rd.

All SEC isn't chopped liver, but is it good for a 3rd? Maybe I'll withhold any judgement until TC and pre-season!

[NYCskinfan82]

I'm just glad they didn't give it up to get Old AS# way pass his prime Bruce Smith (he's a Hall of Famer) again. Youth youth youth for a change mixed in with some age (knowledge)

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

A few thoughts:

1) Orakpo is our starting SLB for the forseeable future. He'll line up at DE no more than 20% of the time.
2) Renaldo Wynn and Alex Buzbee will be unemployed within 2 months.
3) I'm not terribly concerned about losing the 3rd rounder next year. I think Jarmon qualifies as 3rd round talent that we got for a 3rd rounder a year early. If we had wanted to select him in the 3rd round in THIS years draft (had he been eligible), we would have had to trade next years 2nd. Instead, we're geting him for a 3rd rounder a year earlier than we would have otherwise.
4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him.
5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that.
6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.

totally agree

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him.

Can people please stop saying that "we gave up a draft pick"? We drafted a freaking player. Giving up a draft pick means someone else gets to use it.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that.

Dallas had a million picks in this past draft, that doesn't make them better. It is how you use your picks. While one pick (#6) was use in an unfortunate mistake, the other pick (#3) was used (not given up) to draft a player.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.

Also the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by an23dy

From a Redskin-centric viewpoint.
July 2008 - Get Jason Taylor
April 2009 - No 2nd round draft pick
July 2009 - Get Jeremy Jarmon
April 2010 - No 3rd round pick

This is completely wrong, there IS a third round pick in 2010, and we just USED it to pick Jarmon. Geez, it's been said again and again in this thread. We DRAFTED A GUY IN THE THIRD ROUND NEXT YEAR.

This is the EXACT same thing as us drafting Jarmon next year. Imagine in the third round 2010 hearing "Redskins select Jarmon, Defensive End from Kentucky." That's EXACTLY what we just did.


We did NOT give up anything. To judge this, you merely have to ask -- was he worth the third round pick. From what we heard so far -- he probably is.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by ethat001

To judge this, you merely have to ask -- was he worth the third round pick. From what we heard so far -- he probably is.

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

Not necessarily.

We took this player with as late of a pick as we could have used to get him. If we put a fourth round pick in we don't get this player. In essence, the 'Skins gauged correctly what the conventional thinking would be on this player and did just enough to land him. Besides, what is the real difference between the first pick in the fourth round and a mid third-rounder? This move certainly doesn't scream "Holy overpayment, Batman" when you consider how small of a reach it was from the second place bid.

I think the fact that there were so many suitors in the fourth makes Vinny look justified in using a third, not the other way around. If there were only 5th round bids, and Vinny used a third, then you could say that the Redskins badly overpaid and our "GM" would rightfully be the laughingstock of the NFL yet again.

In the end, the rest of the NFL agrees that we paid as little as we could have to land this player.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

Not necessarily.

We took this player with as late of a pick as we could have used to get him. If we put a fourth round pick in we don't get this player. In essence, the 'Skins gauged correctly what the conventional thinking would be on this player and did just enough to land him. Besides, what is the real difference between the first pick in the fourth round and a mid third-rounder? This move certainly doesn't scream "Holy overpayment, Batman" when you consider how small of a reach it was from the second place bid.

I think the fact that there were so many suitors in the fourth makes Vinny look justified in using a third, not the other way around. If there were only 5th round bids, and Vinny used a third, then you could say that the Redskins badly overpaid and our "GM" would rightfully be the laughingstock of the NFL yet again.

In the end, the rest of the NFL agrees that we paid as little as we could have to land this player.

Well said.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I have to admit, that thought was in my mind as well when Vinny explained it.. Until then, I just read this article:

NFL: The Washington Redskins hope they beat the supplemental draft odds in their selection of Jeremy Jarmon - ESPN

Many scouts agree that Jarmon probably would have been a second-round prospect next April had he played his final season for the Wildcats. He likely will be a situational player this season, learning from fellow rookie Orakpo and veteran ends Phillip Daniels and Andre Carter.

This certainly should make many fans including you to feel better.. Beside just like tenandsix:unacceptable explained, it's not llike we OVERpaid for this guy.. Although there's some irony in argument; the article explains history of supplementary drafts, which shows the supplementary draft to might be not good thing..

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.

That's not necessarily true. A bid does not always indicate how much the bidder thinks the "product" is worth. For example, suppose you think a house is worth $500,000. You know others are interested in the house, but they're unlikely to bid more than $450,000. Are you going to bid $500,000 for the house, or something like $451,000? You're going to bid $451,000 and come away thinking you "made" $49,000.

Similarly, here, for all we know, the other teams that bid on Jarmon thought he was worth a 2nd round pick, but thought no team would bid a 2nd or 3rd rounder. For all we know, some of those very interested teams wish they had bid a 3rd round pick.

By most accounts, Jarmon graded out as 2nd or 3rd round pick. So, in my view, we didn't necessarily overpay to acquire Jarmon. Did we bid more than the other teams? Sure, but that's always the case with winning bids and it doesn't really tell us whether we got robbed, or made out like bandits.

[Daseal]

I have to agree with the majority. We got a loan for 9 months with 0 interest. There's a chance this guy could have fallen with his Sr. year. There's also a chance he could have skyrocketed to a 1st round pick. No one can say. I just hope he has the motivation and work ethic required for the NFL.

Either way, smart gamble by the front office.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by ethat001

This is completely wrong, there IS a third round pick in 2010, and we just USED it to pick Jarmon. Geez, it's been said again and again in this thread. We DRAFTED A GUY IN THE THIRD ROUND NEXT YEAR.

This is the EXACT same thing as us drafting Jarmon next year. Imagine in the third round 2010 hearing "Redskins select Jarmon, Defensive End from Kentucky." That's EXACTLY what we just did.


We did NOT give up anything. To judge this, you merely have to ask -- was he worth the third round pick. From what we heard so far -- he probably is.

Direct quote from me at the end of my post that you just replied to, "it all comes down to whether you think the guy is worth a 3rd round pick."
I understand what's happening. There is nothing incorrect about my statement. In April 2010 we will not be making a pick in the 3rd round. It will say selection forfeited to draft Jeremy Jarmon in 2009 NFL supplemental draft.

[WaldSkins]

I dont really know why everyone is still arguing about this pick. We got a 3rd rounder a year early meaning that he will have one more year of experience by the time next years draft rolls around. I think you people just like to complain about the front office.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I have to agree with the majority. We got a loan for 9 months with 0 interest. There's a chance this guy could have fallen with his Sr. year. There's also a chance he could have skyrocketed to a 1st round pick. No one can say. I just hope he has the motivation and work ethic required for the NFL.

Either way, smart gamble by the front office.

This, ultimately is true. You just have to judge, based on all the evidence available, which is more likely.

Is it more likely that his Sr. season would have set him up for day one status, or that it would have taken him off the draft radar entirely. We gambled a 3rd round pick on the fact that it is the former, and that we can use this year to develop him as a player.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I dont really know why everyone is still arguing about this pick. We got a 3rd rounder a year early meaning that he will have one more year of experience by the time next years draft rolls around. I think you people just like to complain about the front office.

Agree 100%


If we hadn't got him the same people would be complaining we need him why didn't they go after him.