Dallas L postgame

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think there’s a little bit of bs in that last sentence,cmon admit it
It’s just went on for so long you’re used to it now,you’ve gotten older and other things are more important,but it still bothers you, or maybe I’m just projecting lmao

Absolutely no bs. I am older, family, etc etc but up until a few years ago an L definitely pissed me off for days. My wife would see me after the game and be like “oh great they lost again “ because id be visibly pissed off. A win made Monday mornings like Christmas day.
Now, before the game is over Im completely over it. Even after a win, Im over it.
I like venting in the gameday thread cus it’s hysterical. SD, Rave - some good stuff going on in there. But trust me H I dont think about a win or a loss for one minute after the game is over.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Absolutely no bs. I am older, family, etc etc but up until a few years ago an L definitely pissed me off for days. My wife would see me after the game and be like “oh great they lost again “ because id be visibly pissed off. A win made Monday mornings like Christmas day.
Now, before the game is over Im completely over it. Even after a win, Im over it.
I like venting in the gameday thread cus it’s hysterical. SD, Rave - some good stuff going on in there. But trust me H I dont think about a win or a loss for one minute after the game is over.

I am pretty much exactly the same, I used to let it bother me but I’m over it after the game(most of the time) I rarely watch games live Because I don’t have Sunday ticket and I’m in Houston,if it’s MNF then I’m gonna watch till they start sucking then I turn it off.I can’t say it doesn’t bother me all the time though, I think if I would’ve saw that Dallas game, and Dallas got away with all the calls I heard they got away with,I would be pissed! Dallas is the team I hate the most and I can’t stand losing to them, and if I watch the game and they’re getting all the calls and missing calls on our side and that really pisses me off,so something like that will bother me for a couple hours

[BaltimoreSkins]

From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)

Yesh ... thats a clear tell.

Wentz is showing happy feet in the pocket, taking these mini steps ... I thought his pocket presence was one of his strengths.

Just give me those quick hit 3-5 step drop plays, back foot plants = ball comes out.

Slants to Terry, double crosses ... easy pitch and catch plays. Feed Terry early.

[sdskinsfan2001]

If you can't step up into the pocket, you can't have success in the NFL. But easier said than done with our guard play and Chase being injured. But what Wentz is doing now is not working. Rather take sacks in the pocket than dropping backwards. That way you lose 5 yards or less. He's taking sacks and intentional groundings that absolutely ruin drives. At this point tho, I don't think it's fixable. He isn't some inexperienced player.

Our offensive line needs a complete overhaul. 3 or 4 new starters. Definitely 2 new guards.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If you can't step up into the pocket, you can't have success in the NFL. But easier said than done with our guard play and Chase being injured. But what Wentz is doing now is not working. Rather take sacks in the pocket than dropping backwards. That way you lose 5 yards or less. He's taking sacks and intentional groundings that absolutely ruin drives. At this point tho, I don't think it's fixable. He isn't some inexperienced player.

Our offensive line needs a complete overhaul. 3 or 4 new starters. Definitely 2 new guards.

I hear ya, Im with ya ... but Im not giving up hope this isnt fixable. I know we hate the staff but weve shown the ability to adjust over a season. In game? After a few games? No way. After 4-8 games .. maybe.

We went into Dallas with the no. 1 goal of not getting sacked 9 times. We accomplished that .. for the most part. How much did winning the "limit sacks" battle cost us the war? Who knows.

Im not giving up hope.

Really thought we could bounce back vs a Cooper Rush offense, with a few games film to prep with.

Deflated after this cowboys loss.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)

If you ever listen to the Kevin Sheehan podcast, he has Chris Cooley on there to break down the games. This was the first thing Cooley pointed out...the success they had running the ball with the zone schemes, but then had no play action or any passing out of that same scheme. So this is the NFL, doesn't take long to figure that out. 2 weeks in a row where Scott Turner has not looked like a competent OC.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

If you ever listen to the Kevin Sheehan podcast, he has Chris Cooley on there to break down the games. This was the first thing Cooley pointed out...the success they had running the ball with the zone schemes, but then had no play action or any passing out of that same scheme. So this is the NFL, doesn't take long to figure that out. 2 weeks in a row where Scott Turner has not looked like a competent OC.

Listened to it. Re-watched it. Spot on.

[SunnySide]

Scott Turner did a press conf yesterday .. I caught bits of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9vB6HaZBy8

Running 18 out of 20 under center formations -- not worried about in game tendencies, run was working 5.3 yds per carry .... need to improve PA .. they look at tendencies week to week but not worried about in one game

Carson changing plays at LOS -- there wasnt a lot, we try to get up to the line and go quickly

Try to help O line - tried to get ball out quick, run ball, help certain guys

Charles - brings some athleticism, see him on screens, can play guard or tackle, anticipates he will play well, thought he did a good job when he got in there

[calia]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Scott Turner did a press conf yesterday .. I caught bits of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9vB6HaZBy8

Running 18 out of 20 under center formations -- not worried about in game tendencies, run was working 5.3 yds per carry .... need to improve PA .. they look at tendencies week to week but not worried about in one game

Carson changing plays at LOS -- there wasnt a lot, we try to get up to the line and go quickly

Try to help O line - tried to get ball out quick, run ball, help certain guys

Charles - brings some athleticism, see him on screens, can play guard or tackle, anticipates he will play well, thought he did a good job when he got in there

I'm no coach, but not worrying about in-game tendencies seems insane. We've heard at least a couple of times this year about the other team knowing what we were going to do and being able to successfully counter it. I can't believe that making in-game adjustments when it looks like your opponent has figured things out is abnormal.

[Chief X_Phackter]

The only time you don't worry about in-game tendencies is if your talent is clearly better than your opponents. Such is not the case with this team, especially this offensive line, on any given Sunday.

[sdskinsfan2001]

We can probably beat the Titans by simply passing every single time out of under-center formations and running every time out of shotgun. Just completely do the reverse.

[BaltimoreSkins]

If every instinct you have is wrong....

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

If you ever listen to the Kevin Sheehan podcast, he has Chris Cooley on there to break down the games. This was the first thing Cooley pointed out...the success they had running the ball with the zone schemes, but then had no play action or any passing out of that same scheme. So this is the NFL, doesn't take long to figure that out. 2 weeks in a row where Scott Turner has not looked like a competent OC.

Not regularly but I checked out the break down you recommended yesterday. Didn't disagree with Cooley on his assessment.

Side note: I continued to listen to Thursday's podcast and Kevin and Thom are talking about a fan survey of 1,000 ticket holders in which Dan had a 5% positivity rating and Bruce was at 6% and the news out of Ashburn was they were both shocked they were so ill-liked. I was listening and I thought who are these 50-60 idiots that view Dan or Buce positively?!

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Not regularly but I checked out the break down you recommended yesterday. Didn't disagree with Cooley on his assessment.

Side note: I continued to listen to Thursday's podcast and Kevin and Thom are talking about a fan survey of 1,000 ticket holders in which Dan had a 5% positivity rating and Bruce was at 6% and the news out of Ashburn was they were both shocked they were so ill-liked. I was listening and I thought who are these 50-60 idiots that view Dan or Buce positively?!

These people need to be removed from society.