Around the NFL Week 12

[skinsfaninok]

He's better than rivers? Manning (s)? Brady? Rodgers? Brees? Big Ben? Romo?Matt Ryan? Cutler? Sorry but he's barely top 10 if that

[skinsfan69]

I really hope next year the NFL does something about all these shitty calls. Total legal hit on Nicks and probbaly the worst roughing the passer call I think I've ever seen on Manning a bit earlier. The league is just becoming way too soft. We see it every week. Crappy calls that are game changing.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

no argument with most of what you're saying, except this... he's not yet a top 5 qb. Brady, Rodgers, Manning (Both of 'em), Brees, Roethlisberger off the top of my head. I think he's in the "has potential to be great" group: Cam, Stafford, Ryan, Bradford. And those are all top picks... so his performance is so far commensurate with those drafted in equivalent position to his in the recent past.

I didn't make a claim he's better than any of those guys. I said he was a top 5 QB and the stats back that statement up. As of THIS year, he is a top 5 QB stat wise. Now if you want to argue Big Ben, Cutler or whoever is better, than that's something else.

[skinsfaninok]

This year yes I agree But again lets wait for more than 1 year

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This year yes I agree But again lets wait for more than 1 year

...so don't make the comment he's not worth the #1 selection then. Eh? :cheeky-sm

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't make a claim he's better than any of those guys. I said he was a top 5 QB and the stats back that statement up. As of THIS year, he is a top 5 QB stat wise. Now if you want to argue Big Ben, Cutler or whoever is better, than that's something else.

I think making a claim of "Top 5" implies a pretty clear valuation of a player as compared to his counterparts. I can name 10 qb's I'd rather have... and none of which benefit from playing in a dome and having the best receiver in the league. So to me.. not top 5. Still, could happen down the line.


For the record, here's my Top 10 for 2011:

1) Rodgers

2) Brady

3) Brees

4) Roethlisberger

5) Cutler

6) Eli

7) Vick

8) Rodgers throwing left handed

9) Romo

10) Schaub

11) John Beck

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I know you're a stats guy... but is YPA really that telling? I mean, Stafford is 23 years old, has finally been able to start every game so far in a season (despite a broken finger on his throwing hand right now), and he's top 5 in passing yards, has a rating over 90, and 26 TDs with 5 games left to play. He's not Tom Brady yet, but given his age and the numbers he's putting up.... 5 years from now he'll be in his prime if he stays healthy. Extrapolate those numbers, and the sky is the limit for him.

Matt Stafford is way better than Jason Campbell will ever be, YPA be damned.

I think your expectations for Matt Stafford are way too high. Beyond passing numbers, he has 10 wins in 3 seasons, and plays now on a team with a top defense.

I think he's going to need to play much better to get the Lions over the hump into the playoffs. I think he's capable enough -- and at this point, the Redskins would take anyone capable, but I think the history of Matt Stafford would suggest he's going to struggle to win enough games down the stretch to get the Lions into the playoffs.

Stafford is still incredibly young, but I don't think he's progressed to the point where he will be an elite quarterback soon. Down the road? Sure. I wouldn't bet against him or the Lions. I just don't know if I'd bet on him either. Stafford's completion percentage has actually gone up since the finger injury, which is both a good sign for the Lions, and a reason to believe that his wildness has nothing to do with injury: that's just how Matt Stafford has been since college.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ohh...as compared to the 8.6 yards from Tom Brady? No wait, you really meant somebody like Drew Brees with a 7.9!!


Stafford is in the top 5 in the NFL in offense. Top 10 in QB rating. Top 3 in TDs. Top 10 in completion percentage.

...and he's doing it with a broken finger on his throwing hand.



Get the hell outta here even putting that clown Campbell and Stafford in the same sentence.

You and logical conclusions aren't friends right now, are you? I mean, who uses quarterback rating anymore? Unless there's just nothing else you can point to to suggest you know what you're talking about.

Let me spell it out for you: you don't know what you're talking about.

[SBXVII]

I love the fact the Saints are blowing up the Giants. :0

[SirClintonPortis]

Stafford benefits from one of the best WRs in the game.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think your expectations for Matt Stafford are way too high. Beyond passing numbers, he has 10 wins in 3 seasons, and plays now on a team with a top defense.

I think he's going to need to play much better to get the Lions over the hump into the playoffs. I think he's capable enough -- and at this point, the Redskins would take anyone capable, but I think the history of Matt Stafford would suggest he's going to struggle to win enough games down the stretch to get the Lions into the playoffs.

Stafford is still incredibly young, but I don't think he's progressed to the point where he will be an elite quarterback soon. Down the road? Sure. I wouldn't bet against him or the Lions. I just don't know if I'd bet on him either. Stafford's completion percentage has actually gone up since the finger injury, which is both a good sign for the Lions, and a reason to believe that his wildness has nothing to do with injury: that's just how Matt Stafford has been since college.

Well, all I ever really said about him is that I think he's got a very high ceiling. Doesn't seem like you disagree. So agree to agree?

[SirClintonPortis]

Lol, Peeli has completed 16 consecutive completions. Ah, prevent defense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, all I ever really said about him is that I think he's got a very high ceiling. Doesn't seem like you disagree. So agree to agree?

Well, without disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, I think it's fair to classify me as a Stafford skeptic.

I think he plays for a real A+ organization and has an A+ scoring machine (or two) on his own team. And I think those are assets that not quarterbacks ever get in this league. Some quarterbacks get Vinny Cerrato and Devin Thomas.

I would not put a ceiling on any 23 year old QB. Not Stafford, not McCoy, not Sanchez, not Newton, and not Dalton. Tom Brady was a pretty crappy QB at age 23.

[SirClintonPortis]

Drew Brees' performance tonight is a first for any NFL QB.

[Giantone]

Thank God November is over!!!