John Beck Era Begins

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I wouldn't go that far. If I'm not mistaken Beck came in with Philly protecting a 14 point lead. Not exactly the kind of lead, especially on the road, where you just shrug your shoulders and write it off to win. Not to mention that lead was created by 4 turnovers by a guy who was no longer in the game.

I'm not full-on Beckwagon, but I don't think in any way whatsoever his successes had anything to do with Philly taking their foot off the gas.

Your right. I think Haslett was able to get the defense straightened out by that point. and it was only a 14 point lead with 12 min. left in the game. I'm baffled as to why the Skins only had two possessions in 12 min. but chalk it up to not playing a hurry up offense. At that point the team needed to start the no huddle to keep the Eagles off balance and didn't. Most of the throws were down the middle because the Eagles gave them that to eat up clock. Beck needed to find sideline passes to stop the clock with out having to use time outs. He didn't.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've heard that some of the players were publicly backing Grossman. I can think of Fred Davis and Santana Moss as specifics. Do you think some of the players might sand-bag Beck a little bit at first or do you think that kind of stuff doesnt happen in the NFL anymore...

What happens if the players jumped on the Beck bandwagon and MS came out Wed. and said Grossman was starting this week? All the players who mentioned it were asked by the media, in other words they were goaded into an answer so they gave a politically correct answer. That way if Beck got the call and starts and is bad and needs to be replaced by Grossman there will be no locker room issues.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

The funny thing to me is that Grossman had no difficulty with pushing the blame onto his receivers for some INT's. A QB in the NFL doesn't do that..........

I also didn't see anyone really backing Grossman other than Moss. I saw where Brown, Orakpo and another player was discussing the TO's. Obviously they didn't come out and throw Grossman under the bus as he did his receivers. However, they definitely aren't happy with the TO's.

A QB does that when the media wants to hang him out to dry, the coaching staff benches him, and the 2nd stringer makes a few comments like "we can't be throwing interceptions every game, we need to protect the ball more." That was a dig at Grossman by Beck. So Grossman came out and the media questioned him about his interceptions.... all he said is he thinks he has done fine and that the interceptions we have seen in the 1st four games he could prove were not his fault through video.

and this is what my whole arguement is ..... I don't think all the INT's are Rex's fault either and for those chanting for Beck to start each game I think you will be let down when the very same WR's fail to do their job and he throws INT's also. Fans are acting like Beck is the savior and will solve this riddle by being able to buy more time but if the WR's cant' catch a cold then the results will be the same.

[44ever]

BOLD PREDICTION... John Beck brings us to the playoffs, becomes and remains our #1 starting QB.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

It is a move that had to happen given the numbers. My issue is this :

1) we are 3-2
2) Heading on the road for a winable game, which in my opinion would have been the best place for Rex to play (any where but home)
3) I know he has 8 or 9 picks, but how many are actually all on him?? Two last week were on Fred Davis, I can count a few more that either went off receivers hands, Santana fell on one, Armstrong was held on another. Unfortunately these things go against a QB's numbers and it doesn't look good. If the whole picture is disected, its more bad luck than horrible throws.
4) We lost 2 of our starting lineman
5) what happened to the running game?? Which hurt the ability to throw effectively when the D isn't planning on getting run on.


I hope Beck comes out and does a hell of job. And if this was reverse I'd be saying the same thing about Beck so dont think I am standing up for Rex. I am standing up for the QB position, because it takes way too much credit when they win, and way too much heat when we lose.

1-Awesome place to be. I wonder to got us there?
2-True, against a bad defense would have made him look good again.
3-100%. Grossman/Beck it doesn't matter. I think the results will be the same. To many dropped balls or tipped balls by receivers.
4-Which in most cases would cause a team to lose anyway.
5-The Eagles did exactly what they needed to do... pick one aspect of the game and stop it. Considering we had a great run game they chose to stop that forcing our QB to throw the ball which is where we are not playing well anyway. Until the passing game gets fixed we are back to squar one being one dimentional.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by zeesson

Bad Luck? He must be the unluckiest QB in the NFL since 2005

Why? because his statistics show he has thrown 2 INT's a game? So had Brady, EManning, Brees, etc. etc. etc. I guess they are having a bad luck also.

Remember there are 11 men on the field not just Grossman, and running around like a chicken with their heads cut off trying to buy precious seconds will not change the fact our receivers are not catching the balls when it drops into their hands or they fail to go after the ball.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44ever

BOLD PREDICTION... John Beck brings us to the playoffs, becomes and remains our #1 starting QB.

Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.

what here?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.

I think he will be better for these reasons:

1. He is more mobile. He can extend the play by pulling it down and running, as he did against the Eagles for a long run to extend the drive.

2. Beck doesn't say, "F&@# it, I'm throwing it deep into double coverage, or right into the middle linebacker I didn't see drop into coverage again." He can throw it deep but doesn't do it with the reckless abandonment that Rex is so well known for.

3. He is a game manager. He will make the throws he needs to make and let the run game and defense win the game as I think this is how our team is set up. (Note, injuries to the o-line do have a big impact on this and I would have loved to see how things would have been different this week with all our starting linemen and receivers in the game.)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few organisms but you know you'll never get engaged to her.

I saw that and was gonna say something but it's nice to see it's already been covered by everyone else.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by mooby

I saw that and was gonna say something but it's nice to see it's already been covered by everyone else.

One more never hurts. You can always beat a dead horse. It is an organism after all....

[freddyg12]

Sure recievers can cause interceptions, but F. Davis was being a bit generous w/Rex when he said two picks were on him. He was being supportive. Yes he could've broken up the first one, but the coverage was so obviously there. Rex has gotten away w/a lot of bad throws, there were 2 dropped by Iggles last week. The Arizona game in particular he had several bad throws that could've easily been picks.

The int. #s & wr drops will typically even out. Some passes are complete despite a bad pass, while some are dropped or picked off that might've been good decisions. I wouldn't put many of REx's mistakes on the recievers, he's made plenty of them by himself.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I think he will be better for these reasons:

1. He is more mobile. He can extend the play by pulling it down and running, as he did against the Eagles for a long run to extend the drive.

2. Beck doesn't say, "F&@# it, I'm throwing it deep into double coverage, or right into the middle linebacker I didn't see drop into coverage again." He can throw it deep but doesn't do it with the reckless abandonment that Rex is so well known for.

3. He is a game manager. He will make the throws he needs to make and let the run game and defense win the game as I think this is how our team is set up. (Note, injuries to the o-line do have a big impact on this and I would have loved to see how things would have been different this week with all our starting linemen and receivers in the game.)

1- Just to point out the first 4 games there really was not much of a need for Grossman to run around because protection was great. So there was no need to extend drives.

2- I'll give you this one. Grossman is more risky with the ball.

3- He didn't manage the 12 min. of the Eagles game very well. He scored so I give him props but otherwise I think he used too much clock huddling up like McNabb would do.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

1- Just to point out the first 4 games there really was not much of a need for Grossman to run around because protection was great. So there was no need to extend drives.

2- I'll give you this one. Grossman is more risky with the ball.

3- He didn't manage the 12 min. of the Eagles game very well. He scored so I give him props but otherwise I think he used too much clock huddling up like McNabb would do.

1. I know he didn't NEED to run around but I am saying that Beck can if he has to, Rex can not. That is a big plus for Beck IMO.

2. Thank you.

3. He also hasn't played since the preseason. I think that he could have hurried up a bit more, but it also helps if you've been in the flow of the game not holding a clip board for 4 weeks. I think that will come with 1st team reps in practice this week.

I will continue until you see things my way and I can say Thank you for all three points....

[MTK]

Hard to run a hurry up or 2 minute drill when you may not have been practicing that specific stuff very much. I'm sure that will improve as he gets more snaps in practice.