Where are the apologies?

[railcon56]

Speed Kills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hail Mr Moss

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I knew with certainty that some people would be angry with my original posting. I hoped that others might be able to look back on all the "can anyone trust Joe Gibbs now" threads and wonder if the things they saw in the Monday night game might run counter to the assertions made there.

what things did you see that ran counter to what assertions?

only thing i can think of is Brunell having a noodle-arm, but i still saw enough of the the underthrown short passes i expected to see, whatever the cause.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Obviously, not many folks here can or want to do that. That's their choice not mine.
Because the bottom line is winning. Stats are much more important to losers than they are to winners.

No truer words have been spoken than what you have just said SC. You are exactly right!

[illdefined]

people are so focused on being 'right' that they refuse to realize we were 1 tipped ball away from being just as abysmal as last year. like we all feared.

we're all ecstatic it didn't go that way this once, but no one can deny the spectre of last year was there and it was STRONG. if you want to hear apologies, ask the people who questioned the Moss/Coles trade. oop, don't think there were any.

[MTK]

The bottom line most definitely is winning.

That is why I thought the mood might be different around here this week, but 5 minutes after the game on Monday we had people pulling out the "what if..." or the "yeah but..." crap.

Winning is the only thing that matters, anybody who thinks differently is flat wrong.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The bottom line most definitely is winning.

That is why I thought the mood might be different around here this week, but 5 minutes after the game on Monday we had people pulling out the "what if..." or the "yeah but..." crap.

Winning is the only thing that matters, anybody who thinks differently is flat wrong.

Matty,

That is what was always told to us when we tried to take away something positive from a game in which we lost. Now that it looks like maybe we could possibly be starting to turn the corner, suddenly winning isn't enough. I just don't understand it. We didn't win every game in our glory years by 5 TDs. We played some very tight ball games. We have been trying to find something positive to build on, and now that we have some positives to work with...it just isn't enough. Sure, I know we're only 2-0, but that's the best start we have had in quite a long while. That coupled with the fact that our team, looking about as bad as it possibly could, never gave up and explode Monday night to beat the Cowboys. That was huge for us. Yeah it was the last 4 minutes of the game, but those last four minutes gave us something to be proud of and something to hang our hat on. Certainly we have loads of work to do.....nobody has denied that. But it's turning points like the one against that Cowboys, that can turn a season around (see Lavar Arrington in 2001.)

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Matty,

. Sure, I know we're only 2-0, but that's the best start we have had in quite a long while.

In 2003 we started 3-0 after beating the jets, falcons and patriots.


and finished 5-11

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The bottom line most definitely is winning.

That is why I thought the mood might be different around here this week, but 5 minutes after the game on Monday we had people pulling out the "what if..." or the "yeah but..." crap.

Winning is the only thing that matters, anybody who thinks differently is flat wrong.

I completely agree, and reveled in the win as much as everyone else, however we CAN NOT win games like we did week in and week out. There has to be offensive production earlier on in the games. No one can argue that, period. Its too easy to stop desparation. Fate was just on our side this time, and Roy Williams is a bitch.

So even with the win, and all the jubilation after the fact, there are still huge questions that come up when trying to asess our team. Mainly offense and the passing game, because they were rushing all night because they didnt have to play the deep ball.

Hopefully we realized in those final few minutes that plays can be made even with the other team expecting them (in the passing game) and take some earlier shots to open up some lanes for portis.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The bottom line most definitely is winning.

That is why I thought the mood might be different around here this week, but 5 minutes after the game on Monday we had people pulling out the "what if..." or the "yeah but..." crap.

Winning is the only thing that matters, anybody who thinks differently is flat wrong.

actually no, everyone here was ecstatic and pretty much held their doubts in check in deference to the awesome win.

then people pulled out the "Where are the apologies?"
check back.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

actually no, everyone here was ecstatic and pretty much held their doubts in check in deference to the awesome win.

then people pulled out the "Where are the apologies?"
check back.

I'm not gonna name names, but trust me, there were a few people immediately after the game that went right to the yeah we won but what about the first 56 minutes of the game.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not gonna name names, but trust me, there were a few people immediately after the game that went right to the yeah we won but what about the first 56 minutes of the game.

Well I may have mentioned it under my breath, because I spent over 2 hours in dismay over what the hell I was watching on offense. I said we had questions. But it just feels like what I'm hearing, is basically that if you didn't agree with the decision to bench Ramsey, then you shouldn't be enjoying this win, because you were wrong, or that there should be no more questions because we got a huge win. Thats rediculous and demanding apologies is absurd. Its arrogant, offensive, and wayyyy too premature.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Well I may have mentioned it under my breath, because I spent over 2 hours in dismay over what the hell I was watching on offense. I said we had questions. But it just feels like what I'm hearing, is basically that if you didn't agree with the decision to bench Ramsey, then you shouldn't be enjoying this win, because you were wrong, or that there should be no more questions because we got a huge win. Thats rediculous and demanding apologies is absurd. Its arrogant, offensive, and wayyyy too premature.

THANK

YOU!

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Well I may have mentioned it under my breath, because I spent over 2 hours in dismay over what the hell I was watching on offense. I said we had questions. But it just feels like what I'm hearing, is basically that if you didn't agree with the decision to bench Ramsey, then you shouldn't be enjoying this win, because you were wrong, or that there should be no more questions because we got a huge win. Thats rediculous and demanding apologies is absurd. Its arrogant, offensive, and wayyyy too premature.

thats it exactly.... perfect

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Well I may have mentioned it under my breath, because I spent over 2 hours in dismay over what the hell I was watching on offense. I said we had questions. But it just feels like what I'm hearing, is basically that if you didn't agree with the decision to bench Ramsey, then you shouldn't be enjoying this win, because you were wrong, or that there should be no more questions because we got a huge win. Thats rediculous and demanding apologies is absurd. Its arrogant, offensive, and wayyyy too premature.

Nobody's intention was to make hardcore Ramsey supporters feel they couldn't enjoy the win. Myself personally, I was hoping for everybody, for or against the QB switch, to enjoy the win. I didn't expect anyone to change their minds right away about the QB switch...although maybe to silence some of the crowd that felt Brunell's deep pass had left him.

It was a big, important win for us. It was one I had hoped would pull us together as fans. Unfortunately, that's not what happened. I'm sure in every win this team has ever had, there were things that could have been done better...but the point being made was that we picked up the W, despite how we went about in getting it. I think it makes it extra special knowing that we didn't have to rely on our Defense to score to pick up the W.

Those of us on the other side of the fense just get the feeling that fans less than thrilled about the QB switch were grudgingly accepting of the win, not necessarily happy we picked it up. If that's misread, I certainly apologize to those that this is directed toward. I would say 96% of fans on this board, myself included, realize there questions that need to be answered concerning our offense. I, myself, realize the last 4 minutes of the game doesn't solve our offensive woes....but it's a nice start towards solving them.

I do agree that it's a bit too premature to say the switch to Brunell is going to be a season long success. It might not be, but I'll welcome it if it is. I've said it before, I really don't care who the QB is, as long as we are putting up the Ws.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not gonna name names, but trust me, there were a few people immediately after the game that went right to the yeah we won but what about the first 56 minutes of the game.

there were maybe some comments, but they're certainly weren't any *threads* disparaging Brunell right after that great win. not before the explicit 'apology seeking'. in fact the only other thread after the win that expressed doubts was 'Real State of the Redskins' which was pretty objective i thought. unless you guys can honestly say you have no doubts about our offense....