Not drafting a QB a mistake?

[Hog1]

Joe....could you issue some sort of Cyber....Restraining order....or Gag..thinger?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now if the title was Not drafting a TE a mistake? Then I could roll with that...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Joe....could you issue some sort of Cyber....Restraining order....or Gag..thinger?

I wish.

[samsam]

I think it's fine. There's no one who looks like a franchise QB right now but Griffin and Cousins are both solid. Build a team around them and there's potential.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by samsam

I think it's fine. There's no one who looks like a franchise QB right now but Griffin and Cousins are both solid. Build a team around them and there's potential.

Welcome to the board!

Just to clarify; I'm not saying passing a QB is big mistake more asking should they have drafted QB?

And for me, as I've said before with the situation now the right process would have been to draft a development QB somewhere in the draft.

I can understand if you dont like the QBs in this draft. But the draft is basically a crap shoot no one knows what will happen with any draft pick. Some hit and some don't. But by not drafting a position you ensure that if they hit they're not gonna be on your team.

I agree that Griff, Kirk or Colt might be solid but isn't it fair to say they also might not? Putting them aside though, even teams that have solid QBs often draft a QB to develop, especially WCOs.

For me I would feel better about the QB situation if we were developing a QB (depth, back-up or even starter) for the future.

Cheers!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Welcome to the board!

Just to clarify; I'm not saying passing a QB is big mistake more asking should they have drafted QB?

And for me, as I've said before with the situation now the right process would have been to draft a development QB somewhere in the draft.

I can understand if you dont like the QBs in this draft. But the draft is basically a crap shoot no one knows what will happen with any draft pick. Some hit and some don't. But by not drafting a position you ensure that if they hit they're not gonna be on your team.

I agree that Griff, Kirk or Colt might be solid but isn't it fair to say they also might not? Putting them aside though, even teams that have solid QBs often draft a QB to develop, especially WCOs.

For me I would feel better about the QB situation if we were developing a QB (depth, back-up or even starter) for the future.

Cheers!

Who would you have picked, and which of the players we did pick would you have foregone to make that QB selection?

Without specifics this discussion is a bunch of spit in the wind.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Who would you have picked, and which of the players we did pick would you have foregone to make that QB selection?

Without specifics this discussion is a bunch of spit in the wind.

The tone and approach to asking a tangential question is strange to me.

I'm not sure why you think it matters who I would have picked. The FO didn't pick any of the QBs and they had a chance to pick any of them except for Winston and Mariota. But even though I've already addressed

Originally Posted by 30gut

....And to be clear we had a chance to draft any QB from Grayson to Trevor Siemain.

Originally Posted by 30gut

...Garrett Grayson was considered by many, including Jay's own brother, as a pro-ready plug and play QB in this system. There were positive comments about all of the QBs.

Originally Posted by 30gut

....I think that Jay, like his brother Jon, liked Garrett Grayson. And even aside from Grayson may have liked other pro-style/pro-concept familiar QBs available in the draft. At pick 69Grayson was available. BUT they chose to trade down with Seattle which cost them Grayson and Mannion. At the bottom of round 3 they chose Matt Jones at pick 95 by their next selection at 105 it looked like Bryce Petty was gonna fall into their laps but the Jets traded up to get him at pick 103. Round 5 they chose Martel Spaight (who I think is a stud btw, he's one of the guys I wanted in this draft and mentioned in the draft thread) over Brett Hundley.

...I do like to talk about both football and QBs and I'm bored so...all the QBs have some strengths and weaknesses. On the whole I think the difference between the QBs and prospects as whole is overestimated or overstated. Teams rank the QBs and the actual difference in skillset between the QB1 and an UDFA isn't as large as the difference in draft position and perception its why there are UDFA that make teams over draft picks every year and its why some #1 overall QBs bust out and some UDFA QBs are borderline HOF.

Enough of the preamble. The QBs I liked for Jay are Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Bryce Petty (would have been hella awkward though w/ Griffin lol) UDFAs (or select in the 7th round) Shane Carden and Jamiel Showers

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Enough of the preamble. The QBs I liked for Jay are Garrett Grayson, Sean Mannion, Bryce Petty (would have been hella awkward though w/ Griffin lol) UDFAs (or select in the 7th round) Shane Carden and Jamiel Showers

What you call preamble I call spit in the wind. So here's the key question, bringing it down to practical terms:

Garrett Grayson was taken with the 75th pick. Meaning to get him we could have either:

- Taken him at 38 instead of Preston Smith. Would you have done that?

OR

- Not traded with Seattle and taken Grayson at the top of the 3rd instead. So we would have taken Grayson instead of Matt Jones, Arie Kouandjio, and Kyshoen Jarrett (the players chosen with the picks acquired from Seattle). Would you have done that?

If yes, then you don't agree with McLoughan's decision based on what was available at the time. If not, then you do, and thus passing on Grayson was not a mistake.

This line of thinking can be applied to each of the QBs you mention to determine whether you support McLoughan's moves or not. Please deal in specifics based on what actually happened during the draft and what was available at our picks, otherwise I'm uninterested in listening further.

[Schneed10]

To be clear, I have no problem with you suggesting we should have come away with a QB to develop, but it's a worthless, uninteresting, and irrelevant opinion if you can't pinpoint the part of the draft where you would have gone in a different direction to get a QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To be clear, I have no problem with you suggesting we should have come away with a QB to develop, but it's a worthless, uninteresting, and irrelevant opinion if you can't pinpoint the part of the draft where you would have gone in a different direction to get a QB.

You are assuming your tangential question of what I think or whom I like is the issue.
It's not the issue its actually besides my point.

The issue is whether or not they should have drafted a QB. Not which QBs I like. If it needs to be more binary if the QBs we didnt select become more valuable then the player we did select then it was a mistake. All I'm saying is that in our situation we should have selected a QB. And I would bet that they wanted to select one but were unlucky with how the draft played out.

It's like asking someone to buy you a lottery ticket and they return with no ticket and tell you that you weren't going to win anyway so they didnt get you one and to justify their stance they ask you well what numbers you would have selected?

Now i'm game to talk QBs all day long. And maybe it wasnt clear in my post but the QBs I mentioned in the order I mentioned them would have been my targets.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You are assuming your tangential question of what I think or whom I like is the issue.
It's not the issue its actually besides my point.

The issue is whether or not they should have drafted a QB. Not which QBs I like. If it needs to be more binary if the QBs we didnt select become more valuable then the player we did select then it was a mistake. All I'm saying is that in our situation we should have selected a QB. And I would bet that they wanted to select one but were unlucky with how the draft played out.

It's like asking someone to buy you a lottery ticket and they return with no ticket and tell you that you weren't going to win anyway so they didnt get you one and to justify their stance they ask you well what numbers you would have selected?

Now i'm game to talk QBs all day long. And maybe it wasnt clear in my post but the QBs I mentioned in the order I mentioned them would have been my targets.

Peace out.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Peace out.

Lol, You respond to a post for someone else and inject yourself into the combo and ask a question. Even though it's something I already addressed I take the time, from my phone no less, to reply.

And this is the response? Cool, I guess. SMH

[Schneed10]

30gut, your entire position is mental masturbation. Talking about taking a QB without grounding yourself in the reality of what was available at the time is tantamount to sitting in a corner playing with yourself. I'm uninterested in participating in such an inane and pointless discussion. Same with just about everyone else on this board.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

30gut, your entire position is mental masturbation. Talking about taking a QB without grounding yourself in the reality of what was available at the time is tantamount to sitting in a corner playing with yourself. I'm uninterested in participating in such an inane and pointless discussion

Same with just about everyone else on this board.

Did I twisted your arm and force you to make I don't know how many posts is it now?

This is one of many threads that I've started and I try to post when someone responds out of courtesy because that how conversation/discussion works. If you think this topic is whatever then don't post in it. No one is forcing you. Frankly of the threads I've started I didn't expect this one to get the most traffic but guess what? The traffic isn't generated by me, I just respond. Imho the best topic thus far is the one with the least posts.

For the record I have countless times even before you posted stated exactly where the QBs could have been drafted. Here's a newsflash: everyone isn't going to agree. I know there is a lot of groupthink in message boards, but its okay for people to disagree without all the drama.

And oh btw pointing out 'mental masturbation' in an internet sports message board'? Priceless, but at least I realize it.

Cheers all the same.

[DYoungJelly]

I thought this back and forth sounded familiar. Page one of this thread.

Deja vu all over again.