Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!

[aceinthehouse]

Winning cures everything.
If we can somehow pull out a win Monday Night,than this team has a good shot to make the playoffs.

We may not have the quantity of wins to win the Division and or get a high Playoff seeding,but our Quality wins are very,VERY good.

It's quite possible that the 2 NFC losses we have(Rams,Lions) won't even sniff the playoffs...so there won't be a head-to-head tiebreakers to deal with at seasons end.

Which is why we need the Rams to either win their Division outright,or start losing more games and tank. Both are possible scenarios.

Our other 2 Losses came to AFC teams which will have little,to no affect on us when sorting out the Playoff teams and their seedings.

So sweeping Philly will be absolutely HUGE in continuing this theme. If we sweep Philly,then all we have to do is 2 things to beat them out of the Playoffs.

#1)make sure we have at least the same # of Division wins as they do at end of season and no less. (We would be 3-0 and they would be 0-2 if we beat them there)
and
#2)make sure we have at least the same overall record as they do and no less at end of season.

If any of these scenarios are true,then we have dibbs over the Eagles for the Playoffs.

What the Redskins need more than anything right now,besides just WINNING their games...is

#1)They need the Packers,Bears both to stay even keel with the redskins overall record.
#2)They need either the Saints or Bucs to start losing games.
#3)They need the Rams to either win their Division or tank the season and be nowhere near the playoffs.
#4)They need the Cowboys to throw wrinkle upsets against the Giants or Eagles or both to take some pressure off the Skins.
#5)They need to stay as close as they can with the Giants as much as possible with weeks 13 and week 17 looming.

If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999.

And don't kid yourselves...the Dallas Cowbous will play a key role in helping us make this happen,whether they beat the Giants or Eagles in any of these matchups.

If we win Monday Night and Dallas knocks off the Giants,we'll be 1 game back,with 7 games remaining.

Lets do this!!
HTTR!
ace

[MTK]

So much changes week to week, all I can say is regardless of what happens on Monday, we won't be out of the hunt anymore than we could be back in it.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Winning cures everything.
If we can somehow pull out a win Monday Night,than this team has a good shot to make the playoffs.

We may not have the quantity of wins to win the Division and or get a high Playoff seeding,but our Quality wins are very,VERY good.

It's quite possible that the 2 NFC losses we have(Rams,Lions) won't even sniff the playoffs...so there won't be a head-to-head tiebreakers to deal with at seasons end.

Which is why we need the Rams to either win their Division outright,or start losing more games and tank. Both are possible scenarios.

Our other 2 Losses came to AFC teams which will have little,to no affect on us when sorting out the Playoff teams and their seedings.

So sweeping Philly will be absolutely HUGE in continuing this theme. If we sweep Philly,then all we have to do is 2 things to beat them out of the Playoffs.

#1)make sure we have at least the same # of Division wins as they do at end of season and no less. (We would be 3-0 and they would be 0-2 if we beat them there)
and
#2)make sure we have at least the same overall record as they do and no less at end of season.

If any of these scenarios are true,then we have dibbs over the Eagles for the Playoffs.

What the Redskins need more than anything right now,besides just WINNING their games...is

#1)They need the Packers,Bears both to stay even keel with the redskins overall record.
#2)They need either the Saints or Bucs to start losing games.
#3)They need the Rams to either win their Division or tank the season and be nowhere near the playoffs.
#4)They need the Cowboys to throw wrinkle upsets against the Giants or Eagles or both to take some pressure off the Skins.
#5)They need to stay as close as they can with the Giants as much as possible with weeks 13 and week 17 looming.

If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999.

And don't kid yourselves...the Dallas Cowbous will play a key role in helping us make this happen,whether they beat the Giants or Eagles in any of these matchups.

If we win Monday Night and Dallas knocks off the Giants,we'll be 1 game back,with 7 games remaining.

Lets do this!!
HTTR!
ace

I think you got Quality and Quantity reversed.

Also "If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999." This kind of logic drives me crazy. How bout if the Skins start playing hard, consistent football, We wouldn't need to rely on all this luck and unlikely variables to stumble into the playoffs. This is no way to make the playoffs.

I like your unwavering positive attitude but...

[CRedskinsRule]

Actually Ace is using correct NFL terminology as opposed to "Real" terminology.

See, the NFL counts a win (amazingly) as a WIN for tiebreakers and comparisons. SO if we beat the Eagles by 1 we get the same QUALITY win (since it is division and conference opponent) as if we had beat them by 30.

You use the "real" definition, where a 1 point win is not a QUALITY win, but just a poor man's win with comments.

So, in NFL terms we have 4 QUALITY wins, 2 that are division, (high quality), 2 that are Conference contenders (quality in that A- they are in conference and B- both would seem to be competitors for a playoff spot). On the other hand 3 of our 4 losses could be considered low quality losses (2 are out of conference and have little bearing on wild card tiebreakers, 1(lions) is in conference but unlikely to be a wild card competitor.) so out of our 4 losses, at this point only one would appear to be a NFL quality loss. That is the Rams, because we could end up losing a tiebreaker for a wild card spot to them.

Obviously, his use of quantity is correct as we would all like a better quantity of wins.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually Ace is using correct NFL terminology as opposed to "Real" terminology.

See, the NFL counts a win (amazingly) as a WIN for tiebreakers and comparisons. SO if we beat the Eagles by 1 we get the same QUALITY win (since it is division and conference opponent) as if we had beat them by 30.

You use the "real" definition, where a 1 point win is not a QUALITY win, but just a poor man's win with comments.

So, in NFL terms we have 4 QUALITY wins, 2 that are division, (high quality), 2 that are Conference contenders (quality in that A- they are in conference and B- both would seem to be competitors for a playoff spot). On the other hand 3 of our 4 losses could be considered low quality losses (2 are out of conference and have little bearing on wild card tiebreakers, 1(lions) is in conference but unlikely to be a wild card competitor.) so out of our 4 losses, at this point only one would appear to be a NFL quality loss. That is the Rams, because we could end up losing a tiebreaker for a wild card spot to them.

Obviously, his use of quantity is correct as we would all like a better quantity of wins.

Really, and in the case of a divisional win/lose tie, split evenly, what determines the 1st place team?

[SirClintonPortis]

Is it 1991? Apparently, it's a sin to even have an inkling that this team has a probability of 50% of winning its games.

[JLee9718]

I hate Monday night games! The Redskins usually don't play well in these games. I just hope that the Shanahans haven't messed up McNabb's mind. They've already tried to mix him up with his footwork! All through the Haynesworth escapade I was on Shanahan's side. Now that he's shown himself to be a sub-Zornian, I really don't know what to expect from here on out. In fact, I thought that hiring Shanahan was like the second coming of Gibbs 1, but I've been wrong before. It didn't take long for Shanahan to wear me out!!! I should have known something strange was going on since I didn't hear a peep out of my nemesis, CP!

BTW, I took Shanahan off as my avatar! He won't go back!

[44ever]

What I'm hoping for is that the Skins have been working on a lot of things that up until now, they have been unable to utilize. Hopefully they come out and show some new looks. I am also very interested hoe DM will respond. HTTR!

[skinsfaninok]

Clinton Portis wears Phillies hat four days before facing Eagles - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Because Vick has shown that he scores in every game and almost every quarter of football he plays. It's just a mathematical certainty. It took the Eagles 1 quarter to effectively figure out and shut down our Offense and kept us to 3 points for the remainder 3 quarters of the game. While they managed to creep back up with a cold and unprepared Kolb.

Vick would have played a better whole game than Kolb, in fact his passer rating was much higher than Kolbs. Actually Vick was very close to scoring when he got hurt. The Eagles did not get that close into our red zone the remainder of the game without Vick.

Obviously when I say it is a fact, that is a statistical and historical statement. But one that is and will be proved this coming week.

As a 40 year fan, I have had the luxury of sitting back and knowing the Skins would win. After the 80's and early 90's, Im the guy who went through the rest of my life defending and making excuses for the Skins. I don't do that anymore, but for those who do, I understand, I was there.

Anything can happen in the NFL. We do have a chance to beat the Eagles. But if Vick stays in, we won't. IMO.

We were up 14-0 when he went down you know

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

I would also say we weren't done too big of a favor when we knocked Steve Jackson out of the St Louis game since then they moved to a passing attack that we were not prepared for or able to deal with.

Don't forget about their backup RB, he ran through our defense a bit.

[LavaRnChad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

44ever, How is it a fact that they would have beaten us with Vick?

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

[MTK]

The only 'fact' is the Skins won.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Really, and in the case of a divisional win/lose tie, split evenly, what determines the 1st place team?

I imagine you know this, but here is the list from nfl.com:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

So, if 2 teams in division are tied, you look first at head to head. We have won both division games so far = quality regardless of 1 point or 20 point wins

next if they split, as you propose, then you look at division wins. So far we are 2-0 = quality win

next if they are tied at division level you look at common games. Here so far, we are 3-3(Rams is one of our two non common opponents the other one being Tampa) , so that the ram's loss while bad in conference doesn't hurt here, because we are the only team in our division that plays the rams.

next if they are tied from common you look at conference games. So far we are 4-2, so the colt's loss for example was better than a loss to chicago.

For comparison: the NYG are 1-0 in division, 4-2 in common opponents (their only two losses are here), and 5-0 in conference.
Philly is 0-1 in division, 3-3 in common opponents, and 3-2 in conference.

note: NONE of those tie breakers rely on the point spread in a win.


edit: I wasn't sure what strength of victory (#5) was, so here is Wikipedia's answer:the combined won-lost-tied percentage of all the teams that a club has defeated
still not points related.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by LavaRnChad

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

maybe he would have, maybe not. The bottomline is when the clock showed 0:00, we had more points. Anything other than that is speculation (maybe valid) and not fact. I am sure in the evil twin universe, Barron didn't hold, the catch was caught, and Jarmon was called for a personal foul. But here in the real universe, those things didn't happen and we sit with those three wins.