Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins?

Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DCborn

Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?

He ALWAYS gets credit. No one can question him when we lose though. He is apparently a god.
I think we'll all gladly kiss his rings if he did what works...problem is he's not doing what works, he's stubbornly sticking to things that doesn't work!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DCborn

Ah man...this topic starts with the notion that " Gibb's Football don't work" anymore as a fact.
What happens if the team gets rolling on a winning streak...do we start giving coach Gibbs credit for doing what he has always done?

The intention of the thread was to ask why people think Gibbs' style of football doesn't work... when it clearly does since so many of his basic principles and overall influences are evident throughout the league.

Your point is well taken though, if the team gets on a hot streak the doubters will shut up and not say much of anything. That's just how things roll, people love to dwell on the negative and people typically have much more to say when things are going bad vs. when they are going good.

[Skinsfanmania]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Gibbs' Football" permeates throughout the league. The single back sets you see all throughout the league, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The Steelers offense that won them a Super Bowl 2 years ago, and has them at 3-0 this year, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The Trips formations that the aforementioned Steelers and defending champion Colts use, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that. The multiple (2-3) tight end sets that arguably the two best teams in the NFL today (Cowboys and Patriots) use, you can thank Joe Gibbs for that.

Let's not forget the H-Back, this was also invented by Gibbs.

[BleedBurgundy]

I can't believe this thread is still going. When we score 28+ vs. the lions, what will everyone say then? That it was Al Saunders, not Gibbs? This bye week has taken, like, forever.

[Daseal]

What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.

[The Zimmermans]

It's not that people don't think Gibb's football works....it just seemed that he was outcoached against the Giants......which hurts his credibility as a football mind. He is getting older....and he seems to have more trouble making quick gut decisions and adjusting to the other team....that's why he hired saunders.....

[The Zimmermans]

I love having him in the locker room though.....but he is extremely old haha

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.

I for one would say "Great Work on the shutout D!"

Theres no logical reason to think we will lose this game. Doesn't mean it can't happen, it just means it would be illogical.

Detroit is nowhere near the team the Giants are. And to think that 4 weeks ago, I would be sitting here trying to explain this to people...my mind is officially blown.

Not to take anything away from their start, but they trailed in the 4th quarter of all their games. They have given up more points this year than they have scored. They just aren't all that much better than they've been in the past. NOW, we've only got 4 more points for than against this year, and the offense has been the worst its been since 2004 (not that the QB has anything to do with that...), BUT we have been better than the Lions this year, (by a lot) we are at home, there is no familiarity factor, theres just nothing going for the Lions this week.

Except that they leave Washington with a winning record no matter what.

[The Zimmermans]

they are definitely better than in the past, do you know how bad their offiense has been over the last 10 years?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

they are definitely better than in the past, do you know how bad their offiense has been over the last 10 years?

I do, and they are, BUT remember that Jon Kitna is not an elite passer, he's got a weak offensive line and no running game.

An average offense, and a horrible defense a good team does not make. Had we beaten Minnesota in week one last year, we would have been 3-1 heading into week five. And with all the deficencies that team had, it would have made no difference.

[The Zimmermans]

I don't think detroit is "A GOOD TEAM" do you think we are "A GOOD TEAM" imagine if we were in the AFC. Yes we should beat these guys however

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I don't think detroit is "A GOOD TEAM" do you think we are "A GOOD TEAM" imagine if we were in the AFC. Yes we should beat these guys however

I think we are a good team.

The AFC is really top heavy this year. A lot more scrub teams than the NFC. We'd be fine playing the Kansas City's and Baltimore's of the world.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Daseal

What are you going to say when we lose the game because we can't score points, BleedBurgundy.

I hope you're wrong...I hoped they learned their lesson vs the Giants and they need to let the offense open up all game, not just a quarter or two.

To everyone, Gibbs part 2 is 23-28 in his first 51 games. Only 1 playoff appearance (3 full years) and went 1-1. Gibbs part 1 went 36-15 in his first 51 games, and went 6-2 with 3 playoff appearances, including 2 super bowls and 1 win.
People are getting upset that Gibbs part 2 isn't working for valid reason, yet everyone is getting on their case here. It is completely logical and should be expected to question Gibbs part 2, cause he's not producing...plain and simple.
None of us here...I repeat, none of us here WANT to see Gibbs part 2 fail. But when you see a losing record overall, and you see a team blow a second half lead for the 12th time, it gets old.

You know the more I think about this...we are calling this "Gibbs football", but in fact this is not Gibbs football. Gibbs football knew how to points on the board, he used whatever worked. If it was pounding the ball, and it worked, he did it, if it was passing the ball and it worked, he did it. He did what worked. That is what is different from Gibbs part 1 to Gibbs part 2.
Here are his average points per season each playoff year in Gibbs part 1:
82- 21.1*
83- 33.8*
84- 26.6
86- 23.0
87- 23.7*
90- 23.8
91- 30.3*
92- 18.8 (9-7, worst record to make the playoffs)

Gibbs part 2 average points per season:
04- 15.0
05- 22.4
06- 19.2
07- 17.7

I'm chaulking 92 up to a fluke that we made the playoffs at 9-7. If you subtract 92, 21.1 ppg is the worst of Gibbs career to make the playoffs. It's no fluke that in 05 we scored 22.4 ppg and went to the playoffs.
In the 4 times Gibbs took us to super bowls, his teams averaged 27.2ppg.
In the 4 years in Gibbs part 2, the Skins are averaging 18.6 ppg.
So as you can see, we are calling this Gibbs football, but in actuality, we should be calling it Gibbs part 2 football. He was not like this back in his day. He wasn't afraid to go for the throat back then. He adjusted and did what worked back then. This is not the same Gibbs we are seeing today.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do, and they are, BUT remember that Jon Kitna is not an elite passer, he's got a weak offensive line and no running game.

An average offense, and a horrible defense a good team does not make. Had we beaten Minnesota in week one last year, we would have been 3-1 heading into week five. And with all the deficencies that team had, it would have made no difference.

I think Kitna deserves a little more credit than that. He threw for 4200 yards last season right? He's no Manning or Brady but those 2 are in their own class. He's a pretty good qb. Horrible defense, yes. What does this mean? It means we need to put up some points b/c they are going to score a little. We should win this game but the Lions i don't think are horrible.