NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

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This trade does not fit our needs, it doesn't solve our problems, and it perpetuates the players' discontent with our front office's willingness to pay outside talent rather than pay to keep their own. We need to trade the 6th pick for more picks, not Lance Briggs and a pick that can't solve our biggest need: DT.

I would have to disagree with on making the players in our locker room discontent with our FO. This move would not really be stepping on anyones toes or paying someone new instead of paying one of our own guys. We paid our own guys this year and didn't pay the right ones. As for not addressing our biggest need I agree with you.

This also kills any deal that would bring in Dre Bly, thus leaving us with an older and more fragile srpings to deal with next year.

[hesscl34]

bad move... and I don't like him. We don't need some dude who whines like a baby when he doesn't get what he wants.. NO!

[Schneed10]

With any deal you make, whether for players or in business, you have to look at the opportunity cost, or said differently, what opportunity we're giving up to make this deal.

To me, we currently have the opportunity to either:
1) Select Amobi Okoye at 6th overall and get the beast DT that we need eat up blocks, allowing our LBs to flow to the ball, and allowing our DEs more space to rush the passer.
2) Trade #6 for multiple picks, such as a high 1st (still allowing us to get an impact DL player) and a 2nd. Which essentially means we'd be giving up a chance to draft a 2nd rounder who could play G or S for us. There is evidence that Denver is willing to make a deal. And if Adrian Peterson falls to us, there's a real possibility we could end up with a massive package being proposed to us.

In this deal, we get Briggs. But we give up ANY possibility at getting a huge offer for #6 should Quinn or Peterson drop to us. We give up the ability to fix our horrible DT spot opposite Griffin (please, let's dismiss the notion that Golston will ever be effective stopping the run at 290 pounds). We also give up more cap space because Briggs will be more expensive than the #6 pick. And we give up on the opportunity to let Rocky McIntosh develop into a serious player, because we'll have 3 LBs in front of him, plus Marshall vying for time as well.

Just look at the cost-benefit picture here. It doesn't add up.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The "10" in Schneed10 stands for the number of weeks The Ego is about to ban you for!

Glad I didn't post it then.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If true, we would be getting bent over.

But we like getting bent over.

[#56fanatic]

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Scheend you are right on with that last post brother. I don't like it either.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Sorry I mispelled your name dude.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With any deal you make, whether for players or in business, you have to look at the opportunity cost, or said differently, what opportunity we're giving up to make this deal.

To me, we currently have the opportunity to either:
1) Select Amobi Okoye at 6th overall and get the beast DT that we need eat up blocks, allowing our LBs to flow to the ball, and allowing our DEs more space to rush the passer.
2) Trade #6 for multiple picks, such as a high 1st (still allowing us to get an impact DL player) and a 2nd. Which essentially means we'd be giving up a chance to draft a 2nd rounder who could play G or S for us. There is evidence that Denver is willing to make a deal. And if Adrian Peterson falls to us, there's a real possibility we could end up with a massive package being proposed to us.

In this deal, we get Briggs. But we give up ANY possibility at getting a huge offer for #6 should Quinn or Peterson drop to us. We give up the ability to fix our horrible DT spot opposite Griffin (please, let's dismiss the notion that Golston will ever be effective stopping the run at 290 pounds). We also give up more cap space because Briggs will be more expensive than the #6 pick. And we give up on the opportunity to let Rocky McIntosh develop into a serious player, because we'll have 3 LBs in front of him, plus Marshall vying for time as well.

Just look at the cost-benefit picture here. It doesn't add up.

Good post. You are absolutely correct.

As for all the, "we still keep a first round pick" talk, that is crap. It's the 31st pick! It might as well be a 2nd rounder.

[skinsfan242]

First: Lets not panic. In the espn article, they said Snyder hasn't even talked to the Bears. So the 6th for the 31st might not happen.
Second: This is a great deal if and only if we can get a second or third in addition.
Third: If we do make this deal, we should trade Rocky for a third round pick. It is obvious we don't think he can cut it, if we make this trade.
Finally: No matter what happens it might not be so bad, because Briggs is a absoulte stud and only 26. He can get in a three point stance on third downs and rush. With the 31st pick there is going to be a good player available. Heck maybe even A. Branch after Kiper keeps dogging him (just kidding).

[724Skinsfan]

Does anybody have any insight as to what Williams will do with Lemar, Rocky, Marcus, London and Lance at his disposal. He must be salivating at the thought of all that hard-hitting, high motor personnel that he'll be able to apply his gifted defensive genius to.

I get the feeling that the Skins are in full "all or nothing" mode. GTripp highlights the salary situation in the next couple of years which the Skins may be looking at as well. Perhaps Gibbs/Williams/Saunders/Danny and Yoda realize that even darker times are ahead so it's better load up to win right now.

If Williams has some sort of new swarming LB defense (3-4 hybrid) that he thinks will revolutionize how defenses are played then I can't argue against that. If it's just going to be "same ole, same ole" then I don't see any overwhelmingly positive gain out this as opposed to drafting a stud D-lineman earlier in the draft.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With any deal you make, whether for players or in business, you have to look at the opportunity cost, or said differently, what opportunity we're giving up to make this deal.

To me, we currently have the opportunity to either:
1) Select Amobi Okoye at 6th overall and get the beast DT that we need eat up blocks, allowing our LBs to flow to the ball, and allowing our DEs more space to rush the passer.
2) Trade #6 for multiple picks, such as a high 1st (still allowing us to get an impact DL player) and a 2nd. Which essentially means we'd be giving up a chance to draft a 2nd rounder who could play G or S for us. There is evidence that Denver is willing to make a deal. And if Adrian Peterson falls to us, there's a real possibility we could end up with a massive package being proposed to us.

In this deal, we get Briggs. But we give up ANY possibility at getting a huge offer for #6 should Quinn or Peterson drop to us. We give up the ability to fix our horrible DT spot opposite Griffin (please, let's dismiss the notion that Golston will ever be effective stopping the run at 290 pounds). We also give up more cap space because Briggs will be more expensive than the #6 pick. And we give up on the opportunity to let Rocky McIntosh develop into a serious player, because we'll have 3 LBs in front of him, plus Marshall vying for time as well.

Just look at the cost-benefit picture here. It doesn't add up.

Agreed. I personally wouldn't mind if we picked Okoye with our 6th pick.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.

People are against it because it's the same old song.. Overpay for someone else's superstar while not addressing your most pressing need or developing what's in house.. Anyone else remember Jeremiah Trotter and Antonio Pierce? I know one wasn't a replacement for the other but how did that work out for us?

Granted the FO knows more about the talent on the roster than anyone but did they see in the last 3 games that Rocky has no ability to man that position? Did they determine that moving Marshall to the outside automatically renders him ineffective? This is a move you make when you are one player away, not coming off of a 5-11 season with GLARING holes in the defensive line and pass rushing ends..

I hate to play the what if game but the '05 offseason set this team back for years by making 2 dumb decisions, letting Smoot and Pierce go because we seemingly felt there was something else better out there. We are doing the same thing with McIntosh. We don't know what he'll be over 16 games but after wasting a pick to go get him they are replacing him with someone elses superstar.

If OLB was a need, why not get Cato June who is the same age, slightly less accomplished but would cost a HELL of a lot less in compensation ($+draft position). I'm not saying Briggs is not a good LB but he's a luxury item to this current roster, not a necessity.

[skinsfan69]

This is a typical move that we would make. FA quick fixes is what Snyder and his butt buddy Cerrato like to do. This is why we will never win with this clown as our owner. He just doesn't believe in building anything.

Why would we make a deal before the draft? It makes no frickin sense. What if someone falls to us and another team is willing to trade up to get a certain player?

Doesn't Briggs play the weakside? We already have Rocky and Marshall at those positions. Terrible trade if we go through with it.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

for now...I'm going to assume that once we acquire Briggs...we're going to trade him to move back up and pick up a second or third rounder...but just adding Briggs with no extra picks is retarded when you consider our current linebacker core. This stinks of a desperation move in the wake of Washington's injury...kind of like the Duckett trade