2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

What? This is clear voter discrimination not everyone has the means or money to get such an ID card. Seniors and the poor tend to have expired photo IDs.

Also there is zero proof of voter fraud. Both dems and repubs have agreed to this. This bill was signed into law to prevent certain groups from having equal access to the voting booth.

You do know they except about 10 different forms of ID. Seniors can use their SS check stub and the poor can use any gov. type check (wellfair, food stamps, etc...)they receive. I thought Bush got elected by voter fraud? Seems to change with the left to meet their needs. Also if you don't check ID's how would you know if there was voter fraud? That would be like saying if cops do not run radar then people must not be speeding.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You do know they except about 10 different forms of ID. Seniors can use their SS check stub and the poor can use any gov. type check (wellfair, food stamps, etc...)they receive. I thought Bush got elected by voter fraud? Seems to change with the left to meet their needs. Also if you don't check ID's how would you know if there was voter fraud? That would be like saying if cops do not run radar then people must not be speeding.

bush wasn't elected by the voters

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by los panda

bush wasn't elected by the voters

Then who was he elected by?

Lets actually discuss Florida since you cant seem to get it off your mind. To this day, Florida has never been legally challenged by democrats. You have to understand one thing. There are 3 stages to an election.

1) The Voting Phase
2) The Certification
3) The contesting Phase

Dems attacked the certification. They went out of their way to stop the certification for some reason (well there is a reason which I will get to later). They never let the contesting phase happen. If you want to legally challenge an election result, you have no choice but to get to the contesting phase.

Begging the question, why would you stop the contesting phase if the goal is to contest the election?

Its very simple. Its an old political trick. When you have lost an election that you know you will lose regardless of how many times you contest it, then you do one thing. You contest the certification. The certification is nothing. It represents basically the guy ringing the bell to start a round in boxing. The only purpose of the certification is to START the contesting phase.

Contesting the certification allows someone who knows that they have been beat to cry and whine against the election. After all, if you are convinced that you will win a recount, you would never in a million years stop the certification, which is exactly what happened in Fla. This is the first time that this very old political trick has reared its head in a national election. You normally see it at the city and county level.

To this day the dems have NEVER LEGALLY CHALLENGED the results in Fla. That pretty much says it all.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Then who was he elected by?

Lets actually discuss Florida since you cant seem to get it off your mind. To this day, Florida has never been legally challenged by democrats. You have to understand one thing. There are 3 stages to an election.

1) The Voting Phase
2) The Certification
3) The contesting Phase

Dems attacked the certification. They went out of their way to stop the certification for some reason (well there is a reason which I will get to later). They never let the contesting phase happen. If you want to legally challenge an election result, you have no choice but to get to the contesting phase.

Begging the question, why would you stop the contesting phase if the goal is to contest the election?

Its very simple. Its an old political trick. When you have lost an election that you know you will lose regardless of how many times you contest it, then you do one thing. You contest the certification. The certification is nothing. It represents basically the guy ringing the bell to start a round in boxing. The only purpose of the certification is to START the contesting phase.

Contesting the certification allows someone who knows that they have been beat to cry and whine against the election. After all, if you are convinced that you will win a recount, you would never in a million years stop the certification, which is exactly what happened in Fla. This is the first time that this very old political trick has reared its head in a national election. You normally see it at the city and county level.

To this day the dems have NEVER LEGALLY CHALLENGED the results in Fla. That pretty much says it all.

the electoral college, the voters voted 50,456,002 to 50,999,897 in favor of gore. that's all i was getting at.

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