2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Chico23231]

I wonder how many times you would hear the word "cult" from the right if the Democratic nominee was the Mormon and the gop candidate was a protestant/catholic. A friend and I spoke how this has barely been mentioned, think it shows the ethics of each sides' campaign approach. Funny to think about how the right tried to call Obama a Muslim just last election.

[saden1]

It's hard to make the case that we're not better off with these types of arguments:

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's hard to make the case that we're not better off with these types of arguments:

Wow, an honest person running for the WH. Obama is like the past Redskin mgrs. Yes he started with a bad situation but he has done very little to make it any better.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wow, an honest person running for the WH. Obama is like the past Redskin mgrs. Yes he started with a bad situation but he has done very little to make it any better.

Things would be a hell of alot better had the republican congress stop being petty and thought about the people of the United States and pass a bill or 2 but that would mean that the President was doing his job....and God forbid republicans can't have that!

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's hard to make the case that we're not better off with these types of arguments:

LOL, this is probably example #3,392 why you should never take Al Sharpton's word on anything.

The full quote (LINK):

INGRAHAM: Isn't that a hard argument to make if you're saying -- Okay, he inherited this recession, and he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now we're seeing some more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn't that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? [laughter] It just happens to be the truth.... at some point it's going to get better, but I don't think President Obama's helping it.

(Bold and underline mine)

So no, it's not a tough argument for Romney to make. Not if you think about what the economy has done the past four years. We were in a deep recession. Now we're in a relatively growthless, jobless recovery. That economy is better off than it was four years ago, but considering where we were four years ago, that doesn't mean the economy is doing well now. Google terms like "economic cycle" and do some research.

Here's what Romney's argument actually is: (LINK):

In his remarks [Friday], Romney also acknowledged the economy was getting better — something he has said before….

“And [President Obama]’s going to say the economy is getting better,” Romney said. “Thank heavens it’s getting better. It’s getting better not because of him, it’s in spite of him and what he’s done.”

If one is going to talk about someone's argument, saden, shouldn't one at least talk about the actual argument instead of cherrypicking soundbites? Or do you think Al Sharpton on MSNBC can be counted on to report things fairly?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

LOL, this is probably example #3,392 why you should never take Al Sharpton's word on anything.

The full quote (LINK):

INGRAHAM: Isn't that a hard argument to make if you're saying -- Okay, he inherited this recession, and he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now we're seeing some more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn't that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? [laughter] It just happens to be the truth.... at some point it's going to get better, but I don't think President Obama's helping it.

(Bold and underline mine)

So no, it's not a tough argument for Romney to make. Not if you think about what the economy has done the past four years. We were in a deep recession. Now we're in a relatively growthless, jobless recovery. That economy is better off than it was four years ago, but considering where we were four years ago, that doesn't mean the economy is doing well now. Google terms like "economic cycle" and do some research.

Here's what Romney's argument actually is: (LINK):

In his remarks [Friday], Romney also acknowledged the economy was getting better — something he has said before….

“And [President Obama]’s going to say the economy is getting better,” Romney said. “Thank heavens it’s getting better. It’s getting better not because of him, it’s in spite of him and what he’s done.”

If one is going to talk about someone's argument, saden, shouldn't one at least talk about the actual argument instead of cherrypicking soundbites? Or do you think Al Sharpton on MSNBC can be counted on to report things fairly?

......as fairly as Fox and there band of mud slingers.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

......as fairly as Fox and there band of mud slingers.

So you admit equivalence. Wonderful.

This is why politics sucks, all round.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

So you admit equivalence. Wonderful.

This is why politics sucks, all round.

I agree politics suck but it's the politicians that need to stand up and tell the media to start with the truth and start thinking about this country and not one party or the other.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree politics suck but it's the politicians that need to stand up and tell the media to start with the truth and start thinking about this country and not one party or the other.

Good luck with either side on that. We keep electing the ones with the best negative ads.